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Aibu? DS should talk about his party politics activities in interviews?

302 replies

Theworried · 30/05/2023 10:12

DS is at uni and applying for internships etc. in the field of finance. A lot of these interviews ask typical skill or behaviour questions- e.g. tell me a time when you have shown teamwork etc.
DS is an active member of the young conservatives and has done a lot of activities in his uni and in our local young conservative group- e.g. take an active role in meetings, canvassing support amongst young people etc.
He thinks that he should be able to use these examples in job interviews as they highlight his skills and is a big part of his life, but DH thinks he should shy away from it as it is do with party politics and is quite a divisive topic in society.
I think that DH is worrying unnecessarily and interviews would not look down upon it as he is developing skills through this activity.

OP posts:
Frabbits · 30/05/2023 20:27

ToK1 · 30/05/2023 19:57

@Frabbits

No, not popular enough.

Winning through corruption, lack of PR and opposition doesn't mean they're popular

Still missing the point.

Blossomtoes · 30/05/2023 20:28

What is the point then?

ToK1 · 30/05/2023 20:28

@Frabbits

How so?

Fairyliz · 30/05/2023 20:31

Blossomtoes · 30/05/2023 10:16

Team DH. I’d see a 21 year old who supports this corrupt bunch of incompetents as having very poor judgement.

This reply proves exactly what your DH is worried about.
There are narrow minded people out there who will not judge him on his application form, exam results, presentation, preparation or enthusiasm. It’s simply Labour = good Tory = bad.
I

Blossomtoes · 30/05/2023 20:39

Fairyliz · 30/05/2023 20:31

This reply proves exactly what your DH is worried about.
There are narrow minded people out there who will not judge him on his application form, exam results, presentation, preparation or enthusiasm. It’s simply Labour = good Tory = bad.
I

No it isn’t. Have you seen what this government has done since it was elected? If a Labour government had done it I’d say exactly the same thing. It’s hardly narrow minded to see what a shitshow it’s been since 2019 and question the judgement of its supporters.

Frabbits · 30/05/2023 20:44

ToK1 · 30/05/2023 20:28

@Frabbits

How so?

JFC.

I didn't say the tories were universally popular. I used the phrase "popular enough" to win the last 4 elections.

You don't win elections under a FPTP system appealing to extremists. You have to win the middle ground and so to label everyone and anyone who votes tories as bigots and xenophobes is patently untrue. And, yet again, I am not a tory voter, have never voted tory but if you don't understand how problematic it is to just surround yourself with people you agree with and not accept that other people's opinions carry value then I will state again: you are part of the problem you so ignorantly blame other people for.

This is really simple stuff.

ToK1 · 30/05/2023 20:49

@Frabbits

No.

How am I part of the problem by being aware of how awful tories are?

ToK1 · 30/05/2023 20:52

I've never said I only surround myself with people whose opinions I agree with or that opinions don't have value

But c'mon.

It's OK to think being a tory makes you an arsehole

If I have to accept their opinions they have to accept mine

Middlelanehogger · 31/05/2023 08:16

My opinion is that anyone who has such extreme views as expressed recently in this thread is someone OP's son should steer well clear of so crack on and tell them he's a Tory and he won't have to spend any time in their company ever again

luckiky they probably don't work in an investment bank anyway

Blossomtoes · 31/05/2023 08:28

Which views do you think are extreme @Middlelanehogger?

PensionPots · 31/05/2023 08:36

People that will become activists for any political party are at the extreme end of all political colours and habits. It’s a bit like the difference between religious organisations that preach and rant in the street and a person who will help out at a church fete on the tombola. I prefer to avoid people with incredibly extreme views of both blue and red. I am most definitely purple, a mix of both.

Middlelanehogger · 31/05/2023 08:56

People obviously haven't met a lot of young Conservatives if they think they're all activists who actively support the current government and its policies... the university societies are glorified debating & drinking clubs and are full of people with a wide range of views on specific policies. They certainly aren't turning up to campaign sessions...

Blossomtoes · 31/05/2023 08:59

So which views here are extreme @Middlelanehogger?

wigywhoo · 31/05/2023 09:01

Middlelanehogger · 31/05/2023 08:56

People obviously haven't met a lot of young Conservatives if they think they're all activists who actively support the current government and its policies... the university societies are glorified debating & drinking clubs and are full of people with a wide range of views on specific policies. They certainly aren't turning up to campaign sessions...

Absolutely, in my day, huge range of views, uni chairman was an Anglo - European noble one nation conservative, others working class Thatcherites. Main focus was black tie dinners and wine and supporting local association at wine and wisdom quiz evenings!

Blossomtoes · 31/05/2023 09:06

wigywhoo · 31/05/2023 09:01

Absolutely, in my day, huge range of views, uni chairman was an Anglo - European noble one nation conservative, others working class Thatcherites. Main focus was black tie dinners and wine and supporting local association at wine and wisdom quiz evenings!

In which case what would be the point of this 21 year old offering his experience as evidence of suitability for an internship?

Middlelanehogger · 31/05/2023 09:23

@Blossomtoes I'm clearly not talking about you. OP's son will have a much more pleasant and fruitful life if he's not working with someone who thinks all Tories are blanket arseholes despite clearly never having met any who will admit it in front of her

Firstttimemama · 31/05/2023 09:35

I think the best thing he could do would be to discuss his activities ‘as part of a local political organisation’. Don’t mention which one of he could be unfairly discriminated against. As an interviewer, this would put me off massively to learn he was a conservative and I’d worry his views wouldn’t align with the rest of the team and it could create conflict

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 31/05/2023 10:07

wigywhoo · 31/05/2023 09:01

Absolutely, in my day, huge range of views, uni chairman was an Anglo - European noble one nation conservative, others working class Thatcherites. Main focus was black tie dinners and wine and supporting local association at wine and wisdom quiz evenings!

Ugh, sounds dreadful🤢

wigywhoo · 31/05/2023 10:08

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

No, you do!

Blossomtoes · 31/05/2023 10:29

wigywhoo · 31/05/2023 10:08

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

No, you do!

Nice.

WideButShallow · 31/05/2023 10:43

Blossomtoes · 30/05/2023 10:16

Team DH. I’d see a 21 year old who supports this corrupt bunch of incompetents as having very poor judgement.

This is exactly what I would think.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 31/05/2023 11:07

Frabbits · 30/05/2023 20:26

I'm well aware of what the tories are like, especially recently.

However, if you go around with your attitude you are part of the problem as much as they are.

Interesting view

Do you think people who think the House of Saud, the All-Russia People's Front, or the Islamic Consultative Assembly are bad are as big a part of the problem in those countries as the political leaders?

As other posters have mentioned a huge issue in this country is the willingness of so many to turn a blind eye to the outrageous actions of the Conservatives.

We label Putin, Assad, Xi, Un, Erdogan as vile dictators for carrying out policies and actions that now seem common place in the Conservatives and if the Social Democratic Party of Germany, Renaissance in France, Social Democratic Party of Finland, or Democrats in America were known to be passing legislation deliberately designed to manipulate elections in their favour, or handing billions of pounds of public money to their friends, or diverting public funds to their investment portfolios, or implementing measures that persecute the disabled/most vulnerable in society, or removing various rights from the people, or lying in/to parliment, or using inflammatory langauge and rhetoric against minorities the media in this country would rightly be vilifying them with aplomb.

But the Tories get a free ride here by and large and have someone managed to brainwash a significant part of the population into believing that not only is this acceptable and normal, but that it is someone the best we can ever expect and that they should defend the tories from any critisism.

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 31/05/2023 11:15

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 31/05/2023 11:07

Interesting view

Do you think people who think the House of Saud, the All-Russia People's Front, or the Islamic Consultative Assembly are bad are as big a part of the problem in those countries as the political leaders?

As other posters have mentioned a huge issue in this country is the willingness of so many to turn a blind eye to the outrageous actions of the Conservatives.

We label Putin, Assad, Xi, Un, Erdogan as vile dictators for carrying out policies and actions that now seem common place in the Conservatives and if the Social Democratic Party of Germany, Renaissance in France, Social Democratic Party of Finland, or Democrats in America were known to be passing legislation deliberately designed to manipulate elections in their favour, or handing billions of pounds of public money to their friends, or diverting public funds to their investment portfolios, or implementing measures that persecute the disabled/most vulnerable in society, or removing various rights from the people, or lying in/to parliment, or using inflammatory langauge and rhetoric against minorities the media in this country would rightly be vilifying them with aplomb.

But the Tories get a free ride here by and large and have someone managed to brainwash a significant part of the population into believing that not only is this acceptable and normal, but that it is someone the best we can ever expect and that they should defend the tories from any critisism.

Just realised I left out the ending to my PP

....If you align / actively support the tories you signal that you endorse all of the above, and you will be judged accordingly. The same way someone who proclaimed to be supportive of Putin or Xi would be judged.

Artycrafts · 31/05/2023 15:06

The left being intolerant, yet again. Good luck to your son OP. Shame your post has been derailed.

Artycrafts · 31/05/2023 15:12

@LolaSmiles

I know which teacher I would want teaching my kids. You've posted some very sound reasoning. The other teacher is a perfect example of why schools and colleges are accused of the indoctrination of learners. Critical thinking is stifled, unless its on their terms. Outrageous.

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