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Sick of some Cornish people bleating on as though they are the worlds only tourist destination

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Endlesssummer2022 · 29/05/2023 19:12

Just read the article below and found a few gems such as these:

’ have you ever wondered where the local people live? Or have you noticed that many of your holiday neighbours are recognisable in the narrow lanes of the pretty fishing villages because they are the same people you live near in London?’

and…

‘Despite what you may have read, we Cornish do welcome visitors and are happy to share our love of our land with you. But it might help if you do a bit of research – Cornwall is fiercely independent and has a proud and unique history and heritage…* *And try not to be rude to local people. If you’ve been asked to not drink from a glass bottle on the beach, there is a reason for that. Don’t forget to tip waiting staff. ‘

What patronising bollocks. So Londoner’s (as those are apparently the only people who visit Cornwall) are so untraveled and boorish we need to be told not to be rude to people, pay tips, not to smash glass bottles in sand, that we’ve bought all of their houses, that it’s ‘their’ land and we’re the ones who are rude?

I’d already decided I wouldn’t go back there after how some of them carried on during Covid but this article has pissed me off. Why would anyone go there when they can go to equally lovely places in the UK/World and not be treated with contempt?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/29/welcome-to-cornwall-please-dont-ruin-it-for-us-local-people

Welcome to Cornwall! Please don’t ruin it for us local people | Natasha Carthew

A little consideration can mean a happy holiday season for everyone, says author Natasha Carthew

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/29/welcome-to-cornwall-please-dont-ruin-it-for-us-local-people

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crackofdoom · 31/05/2023 11:57

kleptolad
They don't need to be a majority in order to skew the voting figures. And you don't need to know where someone's from in order to know how they vote- it's the statistics on voter intention by age that will give you that. And the statistics that tell you that, yes, Cornwall is an ageing county.

Anecdotally, from two elections of door knocking for Labour in my local constituency, it was easy to predict what the reaction would be when people opened the door to us. Families with kids: "Oh yes, definitely Labour!" Elderly people: "No thank you very much!" (= obviously Tory). There were some outliers- I would say - maybe about 1 in 5 older people and 1 in 10 families would go against my assumptions. Especially with the older people in the poorer ex mining towns.

Our constituency is currently Tory, but 2 elections ago it was Lib Dem. In the 1960s it was staunchly Labour! (my village wasn't in the same constituency then, we're the "posh end" that was added as a result of Tory gerrymandering in the 90s I think.

I wouldn't be surprised, if current national polling holds up (haven't seen any recent local breakdowns), to see St Ives gained by the Lib Dems at the next election, and Camborne Redruth and Hayle and Truro and Falmouth go red 🤞

crackofdoom · 31/05/2023 11:58

3 elections ago it was Lib Dem 😳

Stepbystep100 · 31/05/2023 11:59

It is true there are very few locals living here. Every house by us is owned by incomers. We have the longest residence here in our area coming here 35 years ago, but we came from a tourist town in Devon that has exactly the same problem. We didn't come for the life, we had that before, we came because we applied for jobs and this is where they were located.

I love tourists as we would not be a thriving economy without them. We have dire areas of poverty but we would have more if it wasn't for tourists. The problem with capitalism is it doesn't stop at exactly the point we would choose.

It was always bad for our children to get good careers here and buy houses. Since COVID homebuying has got worse as residential areas have started to be bought for second homes not just the traditional holiday properties. Careers - well some traditional careers seem to have improved in status and pay - holiday let cleaning and chefs, for example. They were often treated quite poorly historically but seem to be able to argue more decent pay than before. Most young people will still go away for careers though and maybe come back when they've qualified and got experience under their belt.

As for being a slower way of life. Not in hospitality its not! The rest possibly is but we have no way of getting anywhere fast, so that's possibly part of it.

As for reversing, there are plenty of local people who can't reverse too! One should have patience when dealing with people who don't have the experience we have with the roads. Just like when I go to Milton Keynes and want some patience from others as I indicate to move lanes in negotiating their 5 lane roundabouts! That's payback for all the reversing I've done for MKers in our lanes.

DontGoThereYet · 31/05/2023 12:34

Wellthereissometruthinit · 31/05/2023 08:56

ArabeIIaScott · Today 08:35
Is that not just a city/country thing, Wellthereissometruth?

People live at different speeds.

It isn’t a City/Country thing. I moved from city to country. The city I came from isn’t like London. London has a unique culture. I noticed it a long time ago when I first visited. It’s fine. Just different.

Living at different speeds isn’t what I am talking about. You can be ‘fast’ without being impatient and rude. It takes one second to smile and say ‘thank you’.

What a silly thing to say. People in London do say thank you in cafes and restaurants! My friends, family and I do at least! Basic manners.

I imagine that not all nine million people do however; I admit there are rude idiots here too. Just like everywhere.

Boopydoo · 31/05/2023 13:09

RoyCroppersBag · 30/05/2023 23:26

This thread gives me hope that people are getting fed up with coming to Cornwall and we can get back to normal levels. I live in a block of apartments and have gradually seen almost all friends and neighbours evicted so their home can become an airbnb. Until you live surrounded by homes that are empty most of the year you don’t know how soul less it is. Then the rest of the time you have a bunch of rude entitled idiots on their “holibobs” who think that they can make noise till the early hours, let their children shriek and run around the stairs, lift and foyer “because they are on holiday”, I always make sure to give those guests an loud early awakening when I get up for work at 6.30am.

And for those trotting out the tired old line that locals sold the homes in the first place - what about the new builds? Family estates are not safe from the air bnb greedy twats. Bereavements - families have to sell the home to divvy up the inheritance - due to rising prices people who live here can’t afford to buy their siblings out.

Oh, and the tourism pound - oh yes, so much of that stays in Cornwall - not. All it is good for is crappy seasonal jobs, most of which are understaffed due to nobody being able to afford to live on those areas, or able to afford to commute in. None of my family work in industries relied on by tourism - there are other jobs here you know other than bowing and scraping to sacred tourist.

I am so glad that the touridiots are starting to realise that they are being ripped off.

Fully agree with this, I set out on a 20 minute journey to my son yesterday, each way took me 1 hour 20 minutes just because of sheer volume of traffic! I was aghast and thought I'd woken up in mid August! Its May half term, and we are rammed, the queues of traffic to get into Hayle and St Ives were incredible.
Something needs to be done about the numbers, we just can't sustain it and no one is happy.

We don't have the road infrastructure, or the public transport to cope with the numbers.
I'm pretty sure there have been Cornish people who have sold to the highest bidder in greed, but the tides are turning. There are many people selling nowadays who are telling the estate agents that their property can only be marketed and sold to local people. There's also the new rules being brought in for long term rentals causing landlords to evict long term tenants and you can bet they are selling to the highest bidder! The reality with these properties is that they need gutting, full re wires etc etc as they've just had the bare minimum done to them for years whilst being a tenanted property. The locals and people living here full time can't afford these properties if they work in tourism, the money is minimum wage and seasonal so that rules them out as being able to renovate a property. Other locals who don't work in tourism - the majority of locals, are still earning wages well below the national average so they can't afford to renovate anything either. Bit of a catch 22 position.

None of my friends and family work in tourism, I've only ever done short term stints in tourism and I sure as hell would never do customer facing ever again. I worked in a cafe throughout summer weekends when my children were little and it was a hard slog where you took abuse and moans from 50% of the tourists. A lot were lovely, but the other half who were not, are the ones that ensure the locals who are in a stop gap job desperate for any income at that moment in time, find another job asap, any job!

I'm not sure I have any different feelings to regional tourists, tourists are tourists wherever they come from, although I wonder if the anti London feeling with some come from the snapping fingers brigade I encountered in the cafe. We did a famous Roast Dinner, it wasn't fast food and we had signs up to reflect that. But people did expect to walk in, be seated and be eating five minutes later. I was held up more with people complaining at me that they'd been waiting ten or fifteen minutes in a dining room and garden of fifty people with two waitresses and two chefs running around than I could spend time preparing orders (we did coffee and cake, cream teas and sandwiches too). The kitchen area was tiny and we couldn't fit any more staff in if we tried. Patience is what was needed, we were not KFC or McDonalds (we didn't have either of those in the local area at that time either lol) and we were not advertising fast food. We encouraged a glass of wine or a coffee and relaxing whilst waiting for your food, appreciating the beautiful surroundings you were sat in! Instead we got tutted at, fingers snapped at us and generally really short tempered people telling us we'd never survive as a business up country. Yet that business had survived in Cornwall years prior and is still going now.

If you are coming to Cornwall you need to understand we live a different lifestyle, we sit back and relax and we live life at a slower pace. That doesn't mean you have to wait an hour for your food, but it may well take fifteen to twenty minutes. Its where we have our saying we'll do it dreckly, meaning later on, no rush.

I wash, dry and iron for a relative's holiday cottage, oversee the cleaner and generally organise and help out with refurbishments etc. There's never been a huge profit, its ensured that site fees are covered - holiday park based unit, so therefore not taking a home away from a local - and we ensure there's enough money to keep things up to date and replace damaged items each season. We have people who re-book us each year as we are cheaper than a lot of others in the area. We ourselves are aghast at how much some holiday home owners are charging, it's shocking!

All that said, bookings are down, not just with us but with other people we know in the industry in all local areas. I think the tourists are fed up with queues of traffic and the over tourism of Cornwall alongside the shocking nightly rates.
Our reservoirs are depleted, we as locals pay the most money for our water rates here to cover the high costs of the summer usage, we pay more money for our fuel and the food in our supermarkets is more expensive.
Just this morning I've witnessed a chelsea tractor spend twenty minutes trying to parallel park in a space I could fit two cars in, she bounced off the car in front and the van parked behind. I very nearly offered to go and park it for her. She got the man of the house to come out and have a try too, but he couldn't manage it either, then he went in cursing her for choosing a holiday home with no parking and her shouting at him she didn't realise lol Do they not read the advertising details!
The other major problem this area has is if its raining there's not a lot to go and do. The queues to the beaches are replaced by queues to the towns as that's all there is to do. We don't have large leisure centres, or an abundance of indoor play areas for people to retreat to on bad weather days to entertain the children in.
For a lot of the Cornish the bad weather days are the best days to be on the beach for a walk.

Eightypercent · 31/05/2023 14:01

There are close to 500 whole house air BnB and holiday let's in our parish of about 2000 permanent residents. The vast majority of those are either incomer or remote owned There is not one single affordable rental.

Next door used to be owned by a family of 4 who separated, they had two cars. It is now owned by upcountry folk, sleeps 14 with planning to extend again. Two cars have become four or five, the biennial rowdy night has become weekly or even more.

Tourism is destroying local communities.

Mirabai · 31/05/2023 14:10

Eightypercent · 31/05/2023 14:01

There are close to 500 whole house air BnB and holiday let's in our parish of about 2000 permanent residents. The vast majority of those are either incomer or remote owned There is not one single affordable rental.

Next door used to be owned by a family of 4 who separated, they had two cars. It is now owned by upcountry folk, sleeps 14 with planning to extend again. Two cars have become four or five, the biennial rowdy night has become weekly or even more.

Tourism is destroying local communities.

How is this different to the tourist industry in Spain? The Spanish would say that significant areas of the coast have been destroyed by tourism.

Maireas · 31/05/2023 14:11

@Eightypercent @Boopydoo
What happens when you contact your local council or lobby your MP?

justasking111 · 31/05/2023 14:13

Boopydoo · 31/05/2023 13:09

Fully agree with this, I set out on a 20 minute journey to my son yesterday, each way took me 1 hour 20 minutes just because of sheer volume of traffic! I was aghast and thought I'd woken up in mid August! Its May half term, and we are rammed, the queues of traffic to get into Hayle and St Ives were incredible.
Something needs to be done about the numbers, we just can't sustain it and no one is happy.

We don't have the road infrastructure, or the public transport to cope with the numbers.
I'm pretty sure there have been Cornish people who have sold to the highest bidder in greed, but the tides are turning. There are many people selling nowadays who are telling the estate agents that their property can only be marketed and sold to local people. There's also the new rules being brought in for long term rentals causing landlords to evict long term tenants and you can bet they are selling to the highest bidder! The reality with these properties is that they need gutting, full re wires etc etc as they've just had the bare minimum done to them for years whilst being a tenanted property. The locals and people living here full time can't afford these properties if they work in tourism, the money is minimum wage and seasonal so that rules them out as being able to renovate a property. Other locals who don't work in tourism - the majority of locals, are still earning wages well below the national average so they can't afford to renovate anything either. Bit of a catch 22 position.

None of my friends and family work in tourism, I've only ever done short term stints in tourism and I sure as hell would never do customer facing ever again. I worked in a cafe throughout summer weekends when my children were little and it was a hard slog where you took abuse and moans from 50% of the tourists. A lot were lovely, but the other half who were not, are the ones that ensure the locals who are in a stop gap job desperate for any income at that moment in time, find another job asap, any job!

I'm not sure I have any different feelings to regional tourists, tourists are tourists wherever they come from, although I wonder if the anti London feeling with some come from the snapping fingers brigade I encountered in the cafe. We did a famous Roast Dinner, it wasn't fast food and we had signs up to reflect that. But people did expect to walk in, be seated and be eating five minutes later. I was held up more with people complaining at me that they'd been waiting ten or fifteen minutes in a dining room and garden of fifty people with two waitresses and two chefs running around than I could spend time preparing orders (we did coffee and cake, cream teas and sandwiches too). The kitchen area was tiny and we couldn't fit any more staff in if we tried. Patience is what was needed, we were not KFC or McDonalds (we didn't have either of those in the local area at that time either lol) and we were not advertising fast food. We encouraged a glass of wine or a coffee and relaxing whilst waiting for your food, appreciating the beautiful surroundings you were sat in! Instead we got tutted at, fingers snapped at us and generally really short tempered people telling us we'd never survive as a business up country. Yet that business had survived in Cornwall years prior and is still going now.

If you are coming to Cornwall you need to understand we live a different lifestyle, we sit back and relax and we live life at a slower pace. That doesn't mean you have to wait an hour for your food, but it may well take fifteen to twenty minutes. Its where we have our saying we'll do it dreckly, meaning later on, no rush.

I wash, dry and iron for a relative's holiday cottage, oversee the cleaner and generally organise and help out with refurbishments etc. There's never been a huge profit, its ensured that site fees are covered - holiday park based unit, so therefore not taking a home away from a local - and we ensure there's enough money to keep things up to date and replace damaged items each season. We have people who re-book us each year as we are cheaper than a lot of others in the area. We ourselves are aghast at how much some holiday home owners are charging, it's shocking!

All that said, bookings are down, not just with us but with other people we know in the industry in all local areas. I think the tourists are fed up with queues of traffic and the over tourism of Cornwall alongside the shocking nightly rates.
Our reservoirs are depleted, we as locals pay the most money for our water rates here to cover the high costs of the summer usage, we pay more money for our fuel and the food in our supermarkets is more expensive.
Just this morning I've witnessed a chelsea tractor spend twenty minutes trying to parallel park in a space I could fit two cars in, she bounced off the car in front and the van parked behind. I very nearly offered to go and park it for her. She got the man of the house to come out and have a try too, but he couldn't manage it either, then he went in cursing her for choosing a holiday home with no parking and her shouting at him she didn't realise lol Do they not read the advertising details!
The other major problem this area has is if its raining there's not a lot to go and do. The queues to the beaches are replaced by queues to the towns as that's all there is to do. We don't have large leisure centres, or an abundance of indoor play areas for people to retreat to on bad weather days to entertain the children in.
For a lot of the Cornish the bad weather days are the best days to be on the beach for a walk.

You could have been writing about my area in N Wales. We're gridlocked car wise FB Locals just said. Which is why the dog is walked ar 8am.

Restaurants, we're not a McDonald's drive thru,so put your ass down, have a drink order your food and wait.

justasking111 · 31/05/2023 14:19

Had to drive 40 miles to hospital yesterday to see consultant results of MRI. Anxious all the way that tourists didn't cause a pile up. They're like ants this week absolutely everywhere. Our roads aren't great lanes really with passing places.

I'm happy to see them , glad they enjoy our homeland. BUT as locals we have to get around too. As for dining out, forget it. You can't get a table anywhere.

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 15:16

Mirabai · 31/05/2023 14:10

How is this different to the tourist industry in Spain? The Spanish would say that significant areas of the coast have been destroyed by tourism.

How does the ruin of large parts of Mediterranean Spain make it okay to fuck up our own communities?

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 15:23

Maireas · 31/05/2023 14:11

@Eightypercent @Boopydoo
What happens when you contact your local council or lobby your MP?

Our local MP is a Torry sociopath jobsworth who's local community extends as far as the front door of the Conservative Club. Blocks anyone who disagrees with her, she voted to allow sewage discharge onto our beaches. Pissed off locals. Tourists too ignorant to know better.

Mirabai · 31/05/2023 15:29

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 15:16

How does the ruin of large parts of Mediterranean Spain make it okay to fuck up our own communities?

The point is that it’s the way that many places in the world has gone - moving from a rural farming and fishing economy to a tourist economy. It’s a socio-economic shift that no-one can really control. Spain, Portugal, Italy, S.France, Greece, Thailand etc - they’ve all had to deal with the same forces.

Mirabai · 31/05/2023 15:31

And I must say Med countries make a lot less fuss about it than the Cornish. They actually like tourists…

crackofdoom · 31/05/2023 15:57

Believe you me, there is a LOT of whinging about tourists in Italy 😆

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 16:11

Mirabai · 31/05/2023 15:29

The point is that it’s the way that many places in the world has gone - moving from a rural farming and fishing economy to a tourist economy. It’s a socio-economic shift that no-one can really control. Spain, Portugal, Italy, S.France, Greece, Thailand etc - they’ve all had to deal with the same forces.

You don't really have a point, it's just whataboutism. Are you content to see communities destroyed? You're certainly condoning it.

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 16:19

@Mirabai of course it can be controlled.

FergalforPM · 31/05/2023 16:29

Never going back to Cornwall after totally unprompted and uncalled for abuse we got in the street just for being tourists there.

At least the French etc usually do it behind your back.

DisquietintheRanks · 31/05/2023 16:31

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 15:23

Our local MP is a Torry sociopath jobsworth who's local community extends as far as the front door of the Conservative Club. Blocks anyone who disagrees with her, she voted to allow sewage discharge onto our beaches. Pissed off locals. Tourists too ignorant to know better.

Yet your local community elected her. Bizarre!

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 16:36

@DisquietintheRanks just the once, and I very much doubt they will again. But, there is a significant older population here who will vote Torry no matter what, add in Brexit voters and confirmation bias and I despair.

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 16:38

@DisquietintheRanks one day we'll get passed the crap that is first past the post and have a decent voting system.

DisquietintheRanks · 31/05/2023 16:39

@DisquietintheRanks amen!

DisquietintheRanks · 31/05/2023 16:40

Oh ffs! That was for @Daftasabroom .

Can't believe I've started talking to myself on here too.

NinetyNineRedBalloonsGoBy · 31/05/2023 16:47

justasking111 · 31/05/2023 14:19

Had to drive 40 miles to hospital yesterday to see consultant results of MRI. Anxious all the way that tourists didn't cause a pile up. They're like ants this week absolutely everywhere. Our roads aren't great lanes really with passing places.

I'm happy to see them , glad they enjoy our homeland. BUT as locals we have to get around too. As for dining out, forget it. You can't get a table anywhere.

"They're like ants"

This is exactly the kind of parochial xenophobia that is so prevalent and it is so shocking that you feel you can blithely write it without embarrassment. Dehumanising other people using words like ants / emmets etc shows shocking ignorance and disrespect. It's usually the preserve of the Daily Mail and the Nazis. Have a word with yourself.

Daftasabroom · 31/05/2023 16:56

DisquietintheRanks · 31/05/2023 16:40

Oh ffs! That was for @Daftasabroom .

Can't believe I've started talking to myself on here too.

Hahaha, post of the day!

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