Dog Breeders

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Aibu to ask is the only reason people breed and sell puppies is to earn money?

Dog breeding should be banned. Anyone who wants a dog should get one from the RSPCA after fulfilling the criteria to own and keep a dog.

Yes it’s to make some money but if done properly it’s not easy money. We got our miniature poodle from an excellent breeder. I don’t agree with you @Florenz

Yes. You’ll get some people who say they do it because they love the breed, want to continue the line, barely make any money etc but at the end of the day, they are making a pretty penny out of forcing a dog to breed.

Surely if dog breeding was banned and we all adopted a rescue, then eventually in about 15 years or so, there would be no more dogs available. None being bred, so none to end up in rescue centres, well that works. I personally wouldn’t breed, as I couldn’t bear to part with the puppies.

Some breeders genuinely love their breed and work to maintain a good temperament and breed standard.

Backyard breeders who sell to puppy farms and mass produce without thought for the bitches involved and where the puppies end up are a different matter. I cannot understand the mentality which convinces anyone to buy livestock over the net. For crying out loud, go and visit the puppies and bitch and observe how things are.#

Masses of puppies are brought in from Eastern Europe and often have chronic problems from overbreeding. Puppy farms are in the UK too .Dreadful places.

Quite apart from the fact that the RSPCA have some serious questions about animal welfare to answer themselves - exactly where do you think the RSPCA will source their dogs from if there are no breeders of any kind???? You do know how puppies are made, and that they aren't knitted?

Properly, ethically bred puppies don’t make money. That all goes on stud fees, vets bills, genetic testing, time off work to help with the litter, etc.

the breeder I got my pup from shows. It’s her life, she has a super luxurious motor home and her and her show dogs spend weekends driving to shows.

she only occasionally breeds. It’s usually an agreement with other show people when they are looking to retire their older dogs. I got mine for a pet home because he wasn’t suitable for showing.

most domesticated animals are bred on the whims of humans. Whether that’s ethical full stop is interesting, would the alternative be letting them die out?

Properly, ethically bred puppies don’t make money. yes they do. Might not be thousands, but they do make profit on the puppies.

Where did she get the money for this super luxurious motorhome and weekends away?

If there were no more dog breeders there would still be RSPCA dogs because some people would mistreat dogs they got from the RSPCA. But there would be far less cruelty to dogs than there is now. The RSPCA could redirect their resources to preventing cruelty to other animals. There would be far few dog attacks and antisocial behaviour related to dogs. It would be a win/win situation for everyone, including dogs themselves.

Yes Ive bought several pedigree dogs from “ good, honest, show breeders” and of course they make money charging £1,500 upwards for a puppy from several in the litter.
Utter drivel that they dont make a penny. Whatever fluffy chat they come up with, Ive always found most breeders have a hard mercenary approach to their business. I have met hundreds at shows over time. Thats not to say its wrong and that they shouldnt make money from their business, as long as they are not overbreeding / puppy farming. But I cant stand it when they lie in order to make themselves seem great.

Yes. All about the money. All those saying we'd run out of dogs without dog breeders are talking nonsense, and less dogs isn't necessarily a bad thing if it meant taking those awful "xl bullies" etc out of society!

Of course it's about the money!how naive are you?
Get a rescue.🐕🐾🐾😃

Of course. Otherwise they would hive them away.
I think most dog breeding should be banned.

I think there should be much tougher and a grisly enforced laws around breeding and owning dogs.

I am not a fan of the RSPCA for my own reasons. They also refused us a dog because we both work full time. Yes we do but we also both work full time from home! We now have 2 dogs, they live a life of luxury along with our horses and rabbits. If the RSPCA had their way we wouldn’t be allowed to give our lovely home to a dog.

Although this is true of a lot (probably the majority) of people that breed it’s really not true of everyone particularly those in breed clubs or with sports dogs. They do breed to improve the line. Usually have another job, don’t make anything if at all from breeding and only do very occasional litters. It’s ridiculous to suggest this isn’t ever the case because the good breeders put a hell of a lot of thought into it. I have no interest in breeding but am very thankful there are responsible people out there breeding who care about function, temperament, and health testing (both mandatory and not).

That should say actually not grisly!

Honestly I'd like to breed my boy so I could keep a puppy, that way I'd be able to keep a part of him. I definitely wouldn't do it for £ but I can't find a female that's worthy! 🤦🏻‍♀️😂

I breed occasionally. I don’t make money out of it. Ok, once I did, because I had a litter of six. I kept one of course, one paid for the stud fee (£1500), one paid for my drive to southern Spain for the mating (just shy of £1200 all in including hotels, eurotunnel (ferries cheaper but I don’t like leaving the dog in the hold), AHC and rabies vacc for euro travel etc) and one paid for the vets bills and feed and heating and washing bills associated with a litter. That left two of “profit”.

but the next time I bred, six years later, the bitch didn’t conceive the first time so that was £1400 wasted on chilled semen and AI, then had a litter and there were only three, and she had post birth complications which because I’m cautious, resulted in a £2800 vets bill. I lost money that time.

I don’t care: you should never breed if you can’t afford the complications of a 4am Sunday morning C section and no pups at the end of it. If you haven’t the cash to pay for that if god forbid it happens, you shouldn’t be having pups.

Had to call an electrician the other day. He arrived, said hello to me and my small yappy dog. "I love dogs, me, I've got three and a litter of puppies" Oh, bit of a handful. What are they? "XL Bullies. 2 bitches and a stud. Real softies, love the grandchildren". Made my blood run cold. Won't be calling on his services again. Disgusting, opportunistic idiot.

People value what they paid for. Can you imagine the people that would turn out for “free puppies”? Plus, if people can’t afford my reasonable prices - no £3000 “rare” coloured bully breeds here- I worry they can’t afford to truly care for the dog.

that being said, I do give them away to friends and family, and to fellow breeders sometimes.

Not necessarily.

I know a few people who breed dogs that from breeds that are on the list of "native" (ie, British or Irish) breeds at risk of dying out. They breed them because they love the breed and they don't want that breed's unique characteristics to be lost. And I don't blame them, to be honest. The world would be a sadder place without (eg) otterhounds or Glen of Imaal terriers imo.

Then you have the "show breeders", who want to breed the best possible example of their chosen breed. Sadly, some of them take this too far and breed for exaggerated characteristics to the point that the health of the dog is adversely affected (yes, bulldog breeders - I'm looking at you!).

And some people breed working breeds with a view to improving their working ability, because they work them themselves. They will generally breed a litter every few years, keep the one they consider to have the best potential, and most of their puppies will go to other working homes. A guy who used to live near me bred a few litters of outstanding working springers, and he would never sell a puppy that wasn't going to a working home.

But the sort of breeder that churns out litter after litter of whatever breed is currently fashionable, or "designer mongrels", are generally only in it for the money imo, and are little better than puppy farmers.

Completely agree, anyone like this is stupid. Plus no stud dog needs to be used more than max twice or three times in exceptional circumstances. It’s not necessary.

Those last ones are puppy farmers. The fact they don’t raise the puppies in an actual shed doesn’t change that.

Dog breeders are running a business- either as a full time job or as a (forgive the hideous phrase) side hustle.

While the full time, KC registered type are generally a safer bet, they aren’t that much different to the back garden breeders. The dogs that have the best lives as far as I can tell are either the family pet, who’s owners decide to do one litter for various reasons that often boil down to wanting to get their money back from buying a pedigree, or the show dogs that win things and are bred as part of the showing business.

interestingly puppy demand and prices seem to have dropped dramatically- the breeder who sold us our puppy seems to have gone from having a long waiting list to struggling to find suitable homes for her latest litter. The prices she’s charging now seem a lot lower. (Not sure I can convinced dh we need another puppy)

I want a knitted puppy please! Sounds so cute.