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To think this driving manoeuvre was both safe and legal?

268 replies

AmazonAmazine · 27/05/2023 16:49

Arguing with my dad who was the passenger!

3 lane motorway. I was in the left lane, cruising around 70 as no one in front. Came up to a car in the centre lane doing around 50mph. The right lane was running fast, I’d guess over 70.

I assessed the safest thing to do was carry on being very vigilant and slow a little bit and steadily pass the slow car in my lane at around 60. The alternative was get behind it then attempt to accelerate into the fast flowing right lane, accelerating in between higher powered cars from a much lower speed. I’d been forced to slow a bit on approach already, there was no obvious gap in the right lane which everyone as crowding into on approach from the centre lane. The middle car clearly wasn’t shifting, the left lane ahead of me was very clear. The road wasn’t otherwise particularly busy, the right lane was just busy because of this car.

I was very aware, ultimately had a hard shoulder for emergency and I was watching the car well for any sign of switching lane.

iabu- you should have crossed back and forth over two lanes, as it’s always the passing lane
Ianbu- this was the safest way of dealing with the hazard.

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LookItsMeAgain · 29/05/2023 12:13

museumum · 27/05/2023 16:56

Never pass on the lest unless the traffic is crawling. That car in the middle could easily have pulled left without seeing you.

Eh, mirror - signal - manoeuvre? They shouldn't have pulled any direction before first checking to see that it is safe to do so

pigsDOfly · 29/05/2023 13:00

HeiXiong · 29/05/2023 09:27

The fact that you don’t anticipate possible hazards is more of a worry.

Its exactly why the hard shoulder is there.

The hard should isn't there to be used as an extra lane in the event that a driver, who is carrying out an unsafe manoeuvre, needs to drive on it to avoid causing an accident.

NineOfNine · 29/05/2023 13:03

LookItsMeAgain · 29/05/2023 12:13

Eh, mirror - signal - manoeuvre? They shouldn't have pulled any direction before first checking to see that it is safe to do so

They certainly shouldn’t pull any direction without first checking, but not everyone does check properly, do they?

I’ve seen plenty of near misses, and a couple of accidents, that have been caused by drivers not checking that it’s safe before doing their manoeuvre.

GiveupHQ · 29/05/2023 15:52

Bet the OP didn’t tell her dad that 55% think he’s correct!

FerretFumbler · 29/05/2023 16:19

YABU.
no to undertaking on a motorway.
Highway Code is clear as day on that.

rwalker · 29/05/2023 16:24

The problem is the legality of it is ambiguous and open to interpretation to an extent

but people like to mould the facts to justify the actions
I don’t care what any YouTube video or aunties next door neighbours son heard on a course as far as I’m concerned undertaking is an unsafe unnecessary risk

ChateauxNeufDePoop · 29/05/2023 16:52

It's not the black and white of the law but a few times on the TV shows "undertaking" is not what the OP did but more the violent weaving in and out of lanes by speeding motorists too impatient to wait for traffic to move.

YANBU but I'd probably have still gone round them on the outside lane.

prettybird · 29/05/2023 17:42

Reading this debate makes me wonder what some people would do on a two lane motorway when someone is driving in the outside lane only doing 50mph or less and the inside lane is empty? Confused

You can flash them to let them know you're there but if they're oblivious..... Hmm

HeiXiong · 29/05/2023 17:58

pigsDOfly · 29/05/2023 13:00

The hard should isn't there to be used as an extra lane in the event that a driver, who is carrying out an unsafe manoeuvre, needs to drive on it to avoid causing an accident.

The point is that it’s an option.
unlike the PP said.

and maintaining your speed in a clear lane is not an unsafe manoeuvre. It’s not actually a manoeuvre at all.

however middle lane hogging and pulling into a lane without checking it’s clear are both unsafe manoeuvres and would risk a dangerous driving charge.

pigsDOfly · 29/05/2023 18:22

HeiXiong · 29/05/2023 17:58

The point is that it’s an option.
unlike the PP said.

and maintaining your speed in a clear lane is not an unsafe manoeuvre. It’s not actually a manoeuvre at all.

however middle lane hogging and pulling into a lane without checking it’s clear are both unsafe manoeuvres and would risk a dangerous driving charge.

Maintaining your speed in a clear lane on a motorway is absolutely fine but maintaining your speed in a clear lane and undertaking the car to the right isn't fine, it dangerous.

If the police catch someone undertaking a car in such circumstances they would very likely be charged with careless driving.

Neither the lane hogging driver nor the undertaking driver in driving safely or correctly and both can be find.

HeiXiong · 29/05/2023 18:42

pigsDOfly · 29/05/2023 18:22

Maintaining your speed in a clear lane on a motorway is absolutely fine but maintaining your speed in a clear lane and undertaking the car to the right isn't fine, it dangerous.

If the police catch someone undertaking a car in such circumstances they would very likely be charged with careless driving.

Neither the lane hogging driver nor the undertaking driver in driving safely or correctly and both can be find.

I’m glad you mentioned that.

it definitely hasn’t been mentioned eleventy billion times already in this thread, nor is it superfluous to the point I was making.

thank goodness you posted 😂

webster1987 · 29/05/2023 18:49

Puzzledanddissatisfied · 27/05/2023 16:51

So you continued driving in your own lane past a car in the middle lane? That’s perfectly fine, that’s not overtaking, that’s just continuing to drive.

Not perfect fine, it's illegal to undertake.

pigsDOfly · 29/05/2023 18:51

It's been mentioned so many times because it's correct.

To keep arguing that what the OP did was ok when clearly it wasn't seems a bit pointless tbh. What's the point?

It's getting boring now.

HeiXiong · 29/05/2023 19:34

pigsDOfly · 29/05/2023 18:51

It's been mentioned so many times because it's correct.

To keep arguing that what the OP did was ok when clearly it wasn't seems a bit pointless tbh. What's the point?

It's getting boring now.

I simply stated that being aware of hazards was a good thing and that moving into the hard shoulder to avoid a hazard is reasonable.

it’s your prerogative disagree with that if you wish 🤷‍♀️

theGooHasGone · 30/05/2023 04:34

webster1987 · 29/05/2023 18:49

Not perfect fine, it's illegal to undertake.

It's not illegal in the slightest. Read rule 268 of the Highway Code (which has been posted a zillion other times in the thread)

rwalker · 30/05/2023 05:02

theGooHasGone · 30/05/2023 04:34

It's not illegal in the slightest. Read rule 268 of the Highway Code (which has been posted a zillion other times in the thread)

Doesn’t make it the safest think to do though

hennythe100footbird · 30/05/2023 09:35

@AmazonAmazine thanks! When I say terrifies me, it's more the other people chopping and changing lanes with little or no notice which you shouldn't do in a contra flow anyhow. I'm quite a confident driver actually, I'm always watching the road ahead as well as where I'm going and I stay well away from other drivers that are driving erratically. Thanks for the concern though Flowers

Mythica44 · 26/09/2025 15:30

Sorry for bumping an old thread but I think it's important to produce some facts on an important subject of road safety.

I've recently just had a driving instructors video of over 1 million views removed from Facebook by complaining to the DVSA about incorrect teaching of overtaking on the left.

It's permitted in congestion and slow moving queues. A few cars hogging the middle lane is neither.

The offence is committed when overtaking on the left when not permitted to do so.

Let's look at the Highway Code.

"Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should

only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so

stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left."

www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/using-the-road-159-to-203

"Overtake only on the right."

"Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake."

Paying close attention to -

"Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake."

www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/motorways-253-to-273

"Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’."

www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/introduction

Which moves us on to the traffic act in question.

"The offence of driving without due care and attention (careless driving) under section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 is committed when the defendant's driving falls below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver - section 3ZA(2) of the RTA 1988.

Some examples of careless or inconsiderate driving are:

overtaking on the inside;"

www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/driving-offences

The actual legislation states

"A person is to be regarded as driving without due care and attention if (and only if) the way he drives falls below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver."

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/3ZA

Which means if not following the highway code and overtaking on the left when not permitted, you'd be committing an offence as a competent and careful driver would be following the highway code and overtaking correctly.

To back this up, we'll look at a solicitors website

"Adherence to the rules/guidance of the Highway code will typically mean a driver would not be found guilty of careless driving. However, the inverse is also usually correct, in that, an individual that drives in a manner not consistent with the Highway code would typically be found to have acted in contravention of Section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, careless driving."

freemanssolicitors.net/for-you/driving-offences/careless-and-dangerous-driving/#if-i-drive-within-the-rulesguidance-set-out-in-the-highway-code-can-i-be-guilty-of-careless-driving

If you want more, the Police posted about this very topic.

"OFFENCE
Overtaking on the left is lawful if done in accordance with the above guidance. However, whilst there is no specific offence of overtaking on the left, if a driver undertook another vehicle, other than in the circumstances described above e.g. in the case of someone hogging lane 2 on a motorway, they may be prosecuted for careless driving."

www.westyorkshire.police.uk/ask-the-police/question/Q891

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