How is this even allowed (no toilets)

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A charity have a sporting session every week in a park but there are no toilets?
How's that even allowed ?
Anyone else think it's awful?
I've heard people say go behind a Bush, that's not nice or practical.

Shouldn't have too anyway, they should find a venue, where they have toilets and changing facilities?
Would you attend?

Not sure what your issue is with the charity here?

I'm guessing they don't own the presumably public park?

It's the thread title that gets me - 'How is this even allowed?' You think it should be illegal to provide activities without a nearby loo?

If access to a toilet is important to you, check this before you book the activity. For a park-based activity it seems daft to assume there will be toilets available.

If it doesn’t work for you to be without a toilet for the length of the activity then just don’t sign up and find a different activity which does have toilets. It’s not compulsory for every event, activity etc to ensure constant toilet access, for example I have booked a 2 hour long boat trip for whilst I’m away in Wales next week and there aren’t any toilets on the boat. I’ll go before we set off, if I thought I couldn’t manage the 2 hours (and I accept not everybody could) I would either arrange a different activity or wear protection. I wouldn’t expect the company to change the nature of the activity to include a toilet break or change the type of boat.

“the activity should be held at the leisure centre.”

You are being absolutely ridiculous.
But, I recognise your username and you do tend to the ridiculous end of the spectrum.

This is an easy one: you decide if you can manage the lack of toilets, and if not, you choose to go to an alternative session at a leisure centre. End of.

Stop being (annoyingly) coy, what is it?

Yes they bloody should do ! Councils have done an amazing job of convincing people they cannot afford to provide somewhere for us to wee . It’s not unreasonable to expect this ! Our standards are too low with regard to basic hygiene in this country and frankly it’s embarrassing.

You are joking. Have you ever looked at a map of the UK and realised how many beaches there are?!

Councils could invest in the toilets they have in city centres . No human needed to monitor it, they open after a time to avoid vandalism , cameras outside etc . It’s not that difficult….

When we lived in Germany the public toilets were more plentiful.

We also payed 50c to use them. (Children free)

Popular beaches only obviously. Where tourists flock to and then do not need to poo in a bush , basic hygiene.

Selecting a location with better access to toilets may not automatically be inclusive and accessible because it will mean that locations without toilets won't have these services offered locally, and people in those locations may not be able to afford travel to alternative locations and may permanently be denied opportunities.

The nearby village has no public access toilets. No pub or other generally open public building. Should that village never have any other sporting/ public space activity other than joining the cricket club which has its own provision? Is that inclusive to the nearby people who don't have the private transport or budget to travel to alternative locations? Are their numbers outweighed by the numbers of people limited by immediate access to toilets?

Users of parks like personal trainers often have to pay a wear and tear fee to the landowner. Those costs then have to be passed on to the clients. Providers of services may use a site with fewer facilities to avoid these costs and to keep the activity more affordable. Some providers, like parkrun actively seek locations where there is a social need for free exercise and a lack of existing provision.

Reasonable adjustments are important, but the clue is in the word reasonable. Not all things can reasonably be made accessible without incurring impractical costs of installation and maintainence or destroying the integrity of what is there (e.g. putting lifts into the tower of a medieval castle or making a mountain wheelchair accessible)

One size never fits all. Logistically if there's enough choice that everyone can find something accessible to their differing needs, then needs will be met.

I agree that beaches that large numbers of the public visit should have toilets, but there are so many remote beaches all around the thousands of miles of the UK coastline that it simply isn't practical to have a public loo at every beach. It's like saying that there should be public loos every few miles in the countryside in case a walker needs the loo.

Do you think the Pennine Way, Offas Dyke, the West Highland Way or Hadrian's Wall have a portaloo every few miles?

For a park-based activity it seems daft to assume there will be toilets available.

If it doesn’t work for you to be without a toilet for the length of the activity then just don’t sign up and find a different activity which does have toilets.

I agree with both of these.

If this mysterious sporting activity is an all day cricket tournament then it is not at all unreasonable to expect access to a toilet. If it is a half hour tai chi class or a 45 minute park run in a rural area then it is unreasonable.

YABU - I particpate in a sporting activity (not going to tell you what it is OP, unless you tell me what yours is ) and the smaller local events rarely have toilet facilities. There will be portaloos or toilets for the larger, more well attended events that go on for longer. It is a charity, with events run by volunteers. If access to toilets was a pre-requisite for the volunteer event organisers then the number of events available throughout the year would more than half - and there would be none at all in most rural areas. Be careful how many you are excluding when you start championing 'inclusivity'.

Ok, so just beaches that get over a certain number of visitors per year then? Who's counting this? How are they defining tourist or local? What's the threshold for providing toilets? So many other questions.

Why can't people use their common sense?!

PS. OP is being extremely unreasonable.

Wow, so little understanding of disability. And no not every disabled parent is a wheelchair user.

Many UK beaches are not even near towns and not even on the sewerage system. if there is a cafe there should be a loo but there are plenty of wild places that don't.

I go walking with a walking group. We're usually out for 2 1/2 - 3 hours. We don't pass any toilets en route. Most people seem to manage. Those who can't nip behind a hedge or a tree.

If you know there are no toilets and you don't think you can manage then this particular activity venue isn't for you. Toilets can't be everywhere in the same was as lifts and ramps can't be everywhere.

This thread is depressing. Someone (a charity!) has taken the time to set up an activity, probably charges minimal fees to cover costs, which should be applauded in a country where more people could do with access to exercise and sport, and all people can do is tear them down as they can’t invent toilets in public parks.

No wonder people don’t bother to do things

Yup, and the orgainsers could well be volunteers, giving their time freely to organise something for others to benefit from. But it is never good enough.

If you bowel habits are such that you need a toilet close by then just don't go to this event! Most people can go a couple of hours or so without a wee/poo.

Anyone with this problem please see your GP and ask for a referral to gynae physio.

I don't really get the issue. If they don't have the facilities you desire, chose a different activity. I don't like a particular leusure centre near me, so I don't go there for sports. I also don't like small cafés that don't have toilets if I'm having a coffee. So instead I go to one that does.

Please answer what a few posters have asked - how long is the activity?

This makes a big difference on whether toilets are needed

I wouldn't do park run because of my dodgy knees (not age related)

You can't go to a class without toilets because of your presumably dodgy bladder/bowel

That's life! You can't expect everything to be totally inclusive of every single possible need, it's not realistic.

YANBU unreasonable because access to toilets is important.

YABU thinking that the solution is for the organisers of Hopscotch for Adults to move to a different venue, when the problem is that a public park does not have any toilets. Take it up with the local authority and campaign for better facilities for everyone.