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Would you consider By Jove to be blasphemy?

113 replies

Dinopawus · 24/05/2023 20:27

First world non-problem & I have no intention of doing anything about at all, apart from having a gentle chuckle.

DD has just announced that her English Teacher said today that she wants to reintroduce "By Jove" as an expression. I'm not offended by this, although I had always assumed it was blasphemous, so I'm mildly amused and have suggested that DD might want to pick her audience before embracing the phrase.

For additional context, her school is very strict re swearing and pupils who are caught usually get a short fixed term exclusion.

So wise Mumsnetters would you consider this to be Ok in a school that takes a hard line on swearing, and is it actually blasphemy as I thought?

OP posts:
Snugglemonkey · 25/05/2023 00:51

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/05/2023 20:45

By the Power of Greyskull!

Or is that different?

Oh I want to say this! I think I shall.

Snugglemonkey · 25/05/2023 01:01

MichelleScarn · 24/05/2023 22:20

@justasking111

Do you bite your thumb at ME sir?!!

I bite my thumb at thee sir!

Underminer · 25/05/2023 01:11

It’s Heavens to Murgatroyd! For the teens round here, they appear to have discovered Snagglepuss.

Tarkan · 25/05/2023 01:47

When DD was young she loved SpongeBob and would exclaim "tartar sauce" or "oh barnacles" if she was annoyed at anything. Grin

echt · 25/05/2023 01:50

When teaching I would occasionally say Festoons!

Also Hell's bells, which for reasons I cannot fathom tickled my (Australian) students no end.

MrsTerryPratchett · 25/05/2023 01:56

It takes a very special and strong-minded kind of atheist to jump up and down with their hand clasped under their other armpit and shout, "Oh, random-fluctuations-in-the-space-time-continuum!" or "Aaargh, primitive-and-outmoded-concept on a crutch!”

Terry Pratchett

SparklyBlackKitten · 25/05/2023 04:25

Fucking jesus what is this

Catsmere · 25/05/2023 04:30

echt · 25/05/2023 01:50

When teaching I would occasionally say Festoons!

Also Hell's bells, which for reasons I cannot fathom tickled my (Australian) students no end.

Ha! I’m Australian and hell’s bells has long been my go-to for when swearing isn’t allowed or appropriate - and just before I typed this my mother said it! 😆

GrumpyPanda · 25/05/2023 05:22

ThatFraggle · 24/05/2023 23:04

It's the Latin vocative case for Iupiter (Jupiter)

Nope not the vocative ( which is also Jupiter just like the nominative.) Jov- is the root and it looks like to got conflated with pater in the nominative, so Father Jove.

Jupiter
jovis (genitive)
Jovi ( dative)
jovem (accusative)
jove (ablative)

RosamundAtherton · 25/05/2023 06:13

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TheBitchOfTheVicar · 25/05/2023 06:29

This is my thread of the year so far.

Stravaig · 25/05/2023 06:46

As you can see OP, the kids at school, with some parental egging on, will soon sort this nonsense out 😍🤣

loislovesstewie · 25/05/2023 07:01

By Grabthar's hammer, you shall be avenged!

MathiasBroucek · 25/05/2023 07:04

It's cultural appropriation. She deserves to be cancelled 😉

NeverDropYourMooncup · 25/05/2023 07:15

GrumpyPanda · 25/05/2023 05:22

Nope not the vocative ( which is also Jupiter just like the nominative.) Jov- is the root and it looks like to got conflated with pater in the nominative, so Father Jove.

Jupiter
jovis (genitive)
Jovi ( dative)
jovem (accusative)
jove (ablative)

Romanes eunt domus?

Catsmere · 25/05/2023 07:33

GrumpyPanda · 25/05/2023 05:22

Nope not the vocative ( which is also Jupiter just like the nominative.) Jov- is the root and it looks like to got conflated with pater in the nominative, so Father Jove.

Jupiter
jovis (genitive)
Jovi ( dative)
jovem (accusative)
jove (ablative)

Centurion. What’s this then? Romanes eunt domus? ‘People called Romanes they go the house’?
Brian. It -- it says ’Romans go home!’
Centurion. No it doesn’t. What’s Latin for ‘Roman’? Come on, come on!
Brian. Ahh! Romanus?
Centurion. Goes like?
Brian. annus?
Centurion. Vocative plural of annus is ...?
Brian. anni?
Centurion. Ro ... ma ... ni. eunt? What is eunt?
Brian. ‘Go’!
Centurion. Conjugate the verb ‘to go’.
Brian. Uh, ire. Uhh, eo, is it, imus, itis, eunt.
Centurion. So eunt is ...
Brian. Uh, uh, third person plural, present indicative! ‘They go’.
Centurion. But ‘Romans go home’ is an order, so you must use the ...
Brian. Aaaaahh, the imperative!
Centurion. Which is ...
Brian. Uuumm, oh! um, i, i!
Centurion. How many Romans?
Brian. Aaahh plural, plural, ite, ite!
Centurion. i ... te. domus? Nominative? ‘Go home’, this is motion towards, isn’t it boy?
Brian. Uh, uh, dative!
[Centurion draws sword and holds it to Brian’s throat.]
Brian. Oooohh, not dative, not the dative sir! No, ah, oh, the accusative, accusative! Uh, domum, sir! ad domum!
Centurion. Except that domus takes the ...
Brian. The locative, sir!
Centurion. Which is?
Brian. domum!
Centurion. domum. dom ... um. Understand?
Brian. Yes sir!
Centurion. Now write it out a hundred times.
Brian. Yes sir! Thank you sir, hail Caesar sir!
Centurion. Hail Caesar. And if it’s not done by sunrise, I’ll cut your balls off.
Brian. Oh, thank you sir, thank you sir, hail Caesar and everything sir!

AutisticLegoLover · 25/05/2023 08:10

I didn't do Latin and am now completely lost. Does Duolingo do latin? I might add it to my growing list of languages on there.

CampsieGlamper · 25/05/2023 08:35

Brahumbug · 24/05/2023 20:29

It might be blasphemy if you are a follower of the Roman pantheon. Still, blasphemy is a victimless crime 😁

Try insulting Allah and see how victimless it is. Or the Hindu deities in India....

thekindlyone · 25/05/2023 08:38

CampsieGlamper · 25/05/2023 08:35

Try insulting Allah and see how victimless it is. Or the Hindu deities in India....

Doesn't Allah just mean god? So technically saying oh my god is blaspheming against Allah.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 25/05/2023 08:48

There is no blasphemy in Great Britain.

NashvilleQueen · 25/05/2023 08:57

This thread is way more amusing that the title suggested (no offence OP but I thought it would just be a religious v atheist debate!).

Brahumbug · 25/05/2023 09:49

@CampsieGlamper

Brahumbug · Yesterday 20:29

It might be blasphemy if you are a follower of the Roman pantheon. Still, blasphemy is a victimless crime 😁
Try insulting Allah and see how victimless it is. Or the Hindu deities in India....

I agree with you. Look at that poor school boy in, was it Leeds? Who took His OWN Koran into school and ended being threatened. But I didn't want to derail a humorous thread.

AffIt · 25/05/2023 10:05

@ditalini

I am now going to make it a mission to introduce 'by Bast's whiskers!' into everyday speech. 😻

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 25/05/2023 10:09

I'm a user of 'Damn your eyes!' mostly inspired by Thomas on 'Ghosts'.

I suppose usage of this depends on whether you consider 'damn' to be totally beyond the pale, of course.

Missedmytoe · 25/05/2023 10:26

BlackForestCake · 24/05/2023 23:00

Equally maybe resurrect Crikey! or Gadzooks!

Those are both blasphemous if you’re really strict about it. They are minced oaths, Crikey for Christ and Gadzooks for God's hooks.

Let's just hope nobody calls anyone a berk! :)

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