Apparently in 2030, 45% of women ages 25–44 will be single and childfree. Do you think this will happen?

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https://medium.com/hello-love/study-predicts-45-of-women-will-be-single-by-2030-1fbc99bad6a8

Came across this article.
And as much as I (single/childfree woman) would like this to be true, just so there would be more like-minded people and the stigma of being single and childfree woman would lessen.

I really don’t think this is going to happen.
Most people are still higgly conventional and traditions seem to stick in strong.

And also: putting young age 25 is jist silly, by the next 5-10 years most of those women will be married/have kids.
And what I’ve seen happening in dating life is that labels have changed, but it’s still the same old, same old.
Many insist they are ’casual’ or have areagment or new word for dating, but they are basically just plain old dating/in a relationship.

That’s amazing, it’s great some people have accepting surroundings / family.
But we all have different experiences, no need to try and minimize other’s lived experiences.
Do you have a spouse/kids now?
You used past tense.

Childfree perhaps, not so sure about single.

I find this a bit sad. The advice should be ‘don’t have kids unless you really want to and the time is right’

I have a great career (as do many of my friends) and we generally find having kids very rewarding alongside that career (and personally I care a lot more about my family than my ‘high flying’ career I’ve worked very hard for).

I honestly think kids really enhances your life in the right circumstances.

A blanket ‘don’t have kids, it will ruin your life’ is just as bad as ‘go and have kids because I want grandchildren’.

@EbonyRaven I understand where you’re coming from, because I’m also happily married and know more happily married women than otherwise. Probably due to my age (48) as the unhappy marriages among my cohort have already failed. I expect there’ll be a few more, but as we have older children now and are financially independent, I assume most of my friends are staying through choice? I only know one SAHM and one SAHD.

I personally think that the days of staying together because you have no other choice are long gone. 🤷

@FuckTheLemonsandBail How old would your Mum be now? My Mum would be 87 and she had a great career, had relationships but didn’t marry until her early 30’s and had me at 38.

You are the only one trying to convince here.
For someone who claims to be so happy, you do sound angry and upset.😉

When you say 'they', who do you mean exactly?
I have three children and a PhD. I stand to be corrected but I'll hazard a guess that the statement you made is unfounded.

My experience of single 40yo men is that they are inclined to be selfish, and find relationships draining because they really just wanted the fun bits without feeling responsible for another person. Probably very similar to single women
This makes sense to me @stuckdownahole
When I said that men don't want to take a hit to their freedom etc it's not that I think that men are inherently more selfish, it's more that its easier for them to get the upper hand in a relationship when their female partner has children.
Once you have the upper hand you will fight to retain it whether you are a man or a woman.
I think that in many ways the shock the trauma the stress of pregnancy child birth etc serves to shock and traumatise women in a way that makes them more docile and bidable so that men are able to get in control of them.

I wonder if it's to do with money. I am planning to move abroad this year with my dc and dh. I've travelled extensively both in work and with dc. Have had nannies to cover what I can't do but dc happy and content with their lives. Just finished my masters and graduated this year.

School has been an amazing experience to socialise with and I don't do all the ferrying around. Have no family help. I wish I did!!
Saying that I'm glad I've got my dh. My life is infinitely better with dc having another person involved in their care. Not just another set of hands but someone who understands exactly what I'm moaning about on any given day 😃

It's not unfounded it's well known and born out by statistics, I'm surprised you don't know that since you're so educated with the PhD!

If it’s a PhD in some Mickey Mouse subject like sociology, then the statement stands.

If it’s in biochemistry, engineering or some other worthy subject, then you’re an exception to the rule.

An age range of 40-50 would be better as many woman between 25 and 35 are still considering having a childfree life but by 39/40 suddenly panic and have a now or never baby. I’ve seen it SO many times.

And I disagree that it’s women being conventional etc. Many women want to experience being a mother. That isn’t a bad thing and doesn’t mean they follow the herd.

No because biology.

The ONS measure 'fertile lifetime'to 45 hence the cut off.

We are already seeing huge uplifts in women having had no children by the time they are 45, so yes the trended suggest these stats to be a fair prediction.

I read a research article, which I can't remember the name of sorry! Try searching 'historical childlessness'?

I believe this. I have 5 siblings, and when my mother was my age she was pregnant with number 4. If my siblings and I had reproduced at the same rate as my parents my mother would have had 6 grandchildren with 3 on the way.

She has one grandchild now... and it doesn't look like any more will be joining my DD anytime soon.

Its a bit of broad age gap to mean anything
25-30 I would expect the minority to be married with kids
30-35 I would expect fairly even
35-45 I would expect most women to be married with kids

It may also vary in social status. Lower class tend to get married and have kids younger than those with professional career for example

obviously this is quite a general view before someone says ah but me

The World Health Organisation, for one. This is a commonly observed phenomenon in demographics data.

I think it's a safe bet that@MaterDei s PhD is not in demographics🤣

Apparently not 😂😂

Source? Link?

I did state I am happy to be corrected.

I did not state that I know it all.

Everyone I know between the ages of 25-40 are coupled up. I am very much in the minority. I can't see this study being accurate. It's expensive being single but mainly, still such a big stigma and names such as spinster and oddball are thrown around if you aren't with someone. Or you are pitied, made to feel like you are a very sad and lonely person etc.

Great. A link to go with that? Thanks fellduck.

I’m childfree but married. I’ve never felt the desire to have children and it isn’t something that I think is necessary for ‘fulfilment’ (which is very individual, anyway).

I do think more people are choosing to be childfree, particularly women afforded control over their lives and bodies. Childfreedom has thankfully become more mainstream as a perfectly viable choice to make as well.

Easily. I'm 47 and I have only one friend who has children. My brother has no children.

My older children both are quite open about looking forwards and not seeing space for children of their own ir why theyd risk themselves like that. Being a mother is hardly valued by society, in modern society particularly there's very little respect put on anyone who values motherhood on MN you see constant contempt for SAHM etc only a job and being economically successful seems to have meaning to society. If you want children it's very much a path alone as well, there's no 'village' no community of parents to be part of.