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AIBU?

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Why aren't parents correcting their DC?

394 replies

Meili04 · 18/05/2023 12:46

I just saw the DM article about an 11 year old boy being tasered for brandishing a knife over a tantrum in burger king. The mum said they were too harsh. I've seen this in my DDs school their child is a little angel and can do no wrong. If my child is mean to another child I correct the behaviour , if they rude I do the same.
My DC is a human being with faults and isn't perfect 100 percent of the time, no person is.

Why can some parents see no fault in their child? Our responsibility as parents is to bring up DC to be functioning adults who thrive. Treating DC as mini deities does them no favours. I think parenting is becoming too gentle. AIBU?

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MayBeeJuneSoon · 18/05/2023 15:04

junglejane66 · 18/05/2023 13:36

He probably won't do it again

Let's hope!

Unfortunately our YOI community is full of young lads with knife crime

It's rife

Greensleeves · 18/05/2023 15:04

LakeTiticaca · 18/05/2023 15:01

A bloody good hiding is what most of these little scrotes need and I make no apologies for saying this. Parents probably too busy on Tiktok to even care what their little darlings are up to. I make no apologies for saying that either.
Please feel free to hand my my arse on a plate 😉

Yes, that's what's needed - more violence Hmm that will solve the problem of maladjusted and angry children. Violence is always the answer.

This is what you get when you remove critical thinking from education. People who literally can't reason beyond "I'm bigger than you".

Eyewantobreakfree · 18/05/2023 15:06

notwhatsoever · 18/05/2023 14:49

watch the video. He is not threatening the police. He is trying to get away from them, he is telling them to keep away. They are following him with a gun pointed at him. He’s frightened. He is pointing the knife as it’s the only defense he has. They need to put the gun down and talk.

There was a thread recently where the OP refused to get out of her car to be breathalyzed by the police. And she was given universal support on the thread as far as I read. Because the police has lost our trust.

If this was a woman posting that three police men had followed her, pointing a gun at her, refusing to go away or keep away, and she pointed a knife at them to defend herself, I bet reactions would be very different. We would understand her fear. Yet we condemn this 11th year old child.

I’m appalled at the comments on this thread.

But it wasn’t a gun though was it..it was a taser. He could have dropped the knife but chose not to and suffered the consequence of his actions. Not sure why you aren’t more appalled at the 11 year old with a knife!

Liorae · 18/05/2023 15:06

Garethkeenansstapler · 18/05/2023 14:17

An 11 year old with a knife.

Who was warned to put it down.

And who thought this was a normal reaction to not getting a Burger King.

I would shake the officers’ hands for doing society a favour and teaching him a lesson before he’s a grown man who thinks he’s stronger and more threatening than everyone else around him.

We talk about ‘zero tolerance’ for male violence on here. Surely this is it? Or don’t we really mean ‘zero tolerance’?

Zero tolerance conflicts with boys will be boys it seems, which is why we see so many posts on here about teens who are violent to their mother.

MerlinBirds · 18/05/2023 15:08

Garethkeenansstapler · 18/05/2023 14:37

Frightened child today, violent man in 5 years time 🤷🏼‍♀️ as for ‘talking to him’, about what? You don’t get a nice chat in return for threatening someone with a knife. Lesson learned.

The child is committing a criminal offence. In possession of a bladed article in public, exacerbated by threatening people with that bladed article. Exacerbated by threatening a Police officer/public sector worker.

Its not the job of Police, in the dark when being physically threatened to decide whether or not the person threatening them with a bladed article may or may not be really a threat to Police/the public in the course of the criminal offence.

They're not social workers or mentors or therapists, nor are they trained to be so. It's not their job. It's laughable that anyone thinks it's the role of Police to put their weapons away, squat down and have a chat with a child or anyone that is threatening them/the public with a weapon.

It's the job of the CPS to decide to prosecute the criminal offence or not after the perpetrator has been arrested and if it happens, charged.

The Police are in an immediate emergency situation to protect the public, including them.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 18/05/2023 15:09

Axahooxa · 18/05/2023 14:53

@5128gap we do need to help young people with this, I agree. I want to refer the young people i know who carry knives, or own machetes, to people who can nurture and help. There is no such resource.

So there is no such resource. Why is that, then, do you think? Is it because no one actually knows how to reverse eleven years of getting away with swearing, waving a knife about , running riot late at night? Is it because not many people think that being such a ‘resource’ is a particularly desirable or even survivable career?

BTW, what the apologists seem not to have considered is that the ‘child’ was presumably running around threatening other civilians . We’re the police supposed to wait until he had injured a member of the public before acting to incapacitate him? Are you volunteering yourself or one of your family to be the victim?

FairyUpLiquid · 18/05/2023 15:14

The young lad has finally learned years too late that his actions in life have consequences. Hopefully the mother will reflect on her shocking parenting that’s led to her son having a “tantrum” over a minor inconvenience and ended up with him being traumatised. I’m assuming there’s no ND issues or suspected issues because that would for sure have been mentioned. With a bit of luck she might take steps to properly parent her child. Judging by the state of the article I highly doubt it though.

kingtamponthefurred · 18/05/2023 15:14

junglejane66 · 18/05/2023 13:36

He probably won't do it again

Let's hope so. It might literally be the short sharp shock he needs.

5128gap · 18/05/2023 15:14

Meili04 · 18/05/2023 14:55

Because they aren't told no. 🙄

They are told no. But it has no power anymore. No is not respected.

TheGrimSqueakersFlea · 18/05/2023 15:14

It's been reported that the boy has learning difficulties ( no other details are given).

Usually posters on here are falling over themselves on here to diagnose any misbehaving child and excuse their behaviour. Why is this different? Some of the comments about him on here are disgusting

Kaibashira · 18/05/2023 15:15

Meili04 · 18/05/2023 13:37

They did tell him to put it down. It's pretty basic thing to know at 11 not to threaten people with a knife. Why should the police have to tackle the him while he's potentially carrying a deadly weapon? Should they have to potentially harm themselves to stop a feral child from being injured?

His mother called the police.

purpleboy · 18/05/2023 15:22

If you've got to the age of 11 and you think tantrumming because you couldn't get a Burger King then brandishing a knife is a good idea, then unfortunately you need to learn (probably for the first time in your life) that actions have consequences.

This hopefully has done the trick, although I imagine this behavior is ingrained and possibly modeled by his parents, so I don't really hold out much hope this boy is going to be conducive to society.

Inkypot · 18/05/2023 15:24

cocksstrideintheevening · 18/05/2023 13:28

Yes uk and when I saw it my immediate thought was what a little shit bag but surely those adult police officers could have got hold of him but it looked like cutlery not a knife that could do any damage.

Did they actually taser him or just red spot him?

I actually went to school with a girl who stabbed her brother to death with a butterknife. As weird as it sounds cutlery knives can also do damage in the wrong hands.

TheFretfulPorpentine · 18/05/2023 15:26

Gtsr443 · 18/05/2023 13:33

I don't want to live in a country where the police think it is ok to taser an 11 year old child. Look at the size of them and him ffs. And there are 3 of them.

Where are you moving to and when?

Greensleeves · 18/05/2023 15:28

TheGrimSqueakersFlea · 18/05/2023 15:14

It's been reported that the boy has learning difficulties ( no other details are given).

Usually posters on here are falling over themselves on here to diagnose any misbehaving child and excuse their behaviour. Why is this different? Some of the comments about him on here are disgusting

I think the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade found it quite quickly.

Meili04 · 18/05/2023 15:28

Inkypot · 18/05/2023 15:24

I actually went to school with a girl who stabbed her brother to death with a butterknife. As weird as it sounds cutlery knives can also do damage in the wrong hands.

They can they are banned from prisons and secure units for a reason. Some wards its given but counted if one goes missing the unit goes on lockdown , whole place/people is searched from top to bottom until its found.

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Everydayimhuffling · 18/05/2023 15:31

No, the police should not taser a CHILD. Tasers are not tested on children and they have killed a significant number of adults. Should an 11 year old get a death sentence for brandishing a knife? No. So tasing them is not a proportionate response. The police should do their jobs: de-escalate and disarm. Not jump right in with a taser just because you have one.

Tasers are less deadly than guns, but they should be used as an alternative to a gun, not an extra level below a gun. We want the police to kill fewer people not more.

Inkypot · 18/05/2023 15:31

I didn't know that but I can understand why that's the case.
For what it's worth I agree with your post, there's similar behaviour from kids where I live and as ever the mums trot out the excuses and blame everyone but themselves. It's not good for anyone and that includes their children.

Garethkeenansstapler · 18/05/2023 15:34

notwhatsoever · 18/05/2023 14:49

watch the video. He is not threatening the police. He is trying to get away from them, he is telling them to keep away. They are following him with a gun pointed at him. He’s frightened. He is pointing the knife as it’s the only defense he has. They need to put the gun down and talk.

There was a thread recently where the OP refused to get out of her car to be breathalyzed by the police. And she was given universal support on the thread as far as I read. Because the police has lost our trust.

If this was a woman posting that three police men had followed her, pointing a gun at her, refusing to go away or keep away, and she pointed a knife at them to defend herself, I bet reactions would be very different. We would understand her fear. Yet we condemn this 11th year old child.

I’m appalled at the comments on this thread.

Be appalled then. I’m appalled the kid’s first thought at not getting his Burger King was to pick up a knife.

Out of interest; what do you think the police should’ve done?

ZeroFuchsGiven · 18/05/2023 15:34

I have no sympathy for the little shit, yes it was a butter knife this time, the police done the right thing imo, he wont be picking up a knife anytime soon and waving it about will he.

Axahooxa · 18/05/2023 15:34

I want to refer the young people i know who carry knives, or own machetes, to people who can nurture and help. There is no such resource.

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen
So there is no such resource. Why is that, then, do you think?

its because we have a government that is totally out of touch with what is happening in this situation and why kids have knives.

The kids I know with knives are lovely boys with insecure home lives and a lot of fear. They have suffered trauma. They carry knives to try to stay safe- misguided as this is.

I would love to work in such a resource if it were funded.

hattie43 · 18/05/2023 15:35

Shitty inadequate parents are the reason for all these shitty kids running amok with no understanding of social and personal responsibilities.
I'm glad he got tasered. Probably the first time he understood there are consequences for poor behaviour.

Axahooxa · 18/05/2023 15:36

It’s as if no one has an Idea of what ‘learning difficulties’ might actually mean for an individual. It goes beyond reading.

Be appalled then. I’m appalled the kid’s first thought at not getting his Burger King was to pick up a knife.
he was probably responding to being in a panicked emotional state. We don’t know the half of it.

Axahooxa · 18/05/2023 15:37

@hattie43

your comment says a lot about your character.

Axahooxa · 18/05/2023 15:38

The use of the word ‘feral’ is quite disgusting.

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