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Namechangedforthis25 · 17/05/2023 17:26

is it ok for my parents to ask me to transfer £4k that same day to help with their business disbursements? Detail below:

Im an only child and have 2 young kids. I’m currently on Mat leave from a professional job.

my salary is good as is my husbands - but I work long hours for that. And we live in London with high housing costs and nursery costs and later this year I’ll be paying another £2k for my youngest to go to nursery. It’s extortionate

my parents are OAPs but aren’t able to retire - they are self employed professionals but have mismanaged money their whole lives - my dad is eccentric and to be honest has a temper and can be manipulative and emotionally abusive.

they have never saved, or had a pension (my dad doesn’t trust pension providers!) and have borrowed loads (personal debts and business debts). but did manage to buy a 5 bed house in London and another smaller house which they let. Equity has built up and he recently did an equity release on the larger house to be able to live there. But not enough to retire.

For the past 30 years my parents have said they don’t want to do what they do but have never done anything else, done any research or taken advice.

my dad doesn’t even have a will as he doesn’t like to think about death. I mean it’s just shocking. And I can argue with him until my face turns blue - he is stubborn and narrow minded.

anyway ever since I started working in a grad role my parents have asked me for money occasionally (sometimes every few months, sometimes not for a few years) - and I have given what I can. Once I even took out a pay day loan to give them money because my dad said he would be bankrupt otherwise and also threatened suicide. He called me when I was in my office and it’s all I could think about that day as a grad.

recently my parents buy to let mortgage has increased on their small house and they are saying they have a lot of financial issues - eg their boiler doesn’t work. and on my birthday(!) they asked me for £1k and said they would pay me back. I was annoyed but gave it. They have paid me back £100.

then a few days ago they asked me for £4k- for that same day!!

it was to pay disbursements for their business - maybe a customer hadn’t paid them or something.

I have some savings but that’s to last me for my Mat leave and for when my youngest starts nursery - and for when we need to refinance our mortgage in a few months. And we were saving for a loft conversion tbh. £4k isn’t a drop in the ocean for us! I told them I can’t do that. My dad said: goodbye and told me I’m incredibly selfish and that he doesn’t want a relationship with me anymore. He said he will be bankrupt that day if I don’t.

but now I feel guilty. Do I give him this money - it’s a chunk of my savings and not a drop in the ocean.

if I pay them this month, I don’t trust that they will pay me back which means we will lose that money which we need.

we don’t love a frivolous life. It’s not like I go to the Maldives - we do have an extended 3 bed house in London but it’s still smaller than their 5 bed!

i feel like if I give them this money then it won’t stop.

and does it mean I can’t eg go on holidays with my kids or even day trips or do a loft conversion which we need - when they are suffering. They work hard but so do I - weekends and late nights. If I had the money I would give it anyway.

my DH says they are abusive but we need to be close for the kids.

I give my mum £200 a month anyway and pay for her health insurance - happy to do that.

aibu in not giving them this money as and when they want it - usually the same day.

Just at a total loss as to whether this is normal, reasonable, ok.

thanks

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rainraingoawaay · 17/05/2023 17:29

Definitely not OP - they're not paying you back and are clearly terrible at managing money.

You can't keep saving them from themselves and stopping them from going bankrupt, it won't ever end. They do sound abusive - threatening suicide and bankruptcy / cutting you off? That's horrible treatment of a daughter who has helped them so many times in the past.

They need to face up to facts, declare bankruptcy if needed and get proper financial help, you're just enabling them if you keep giving them cash.

OneLittleFinger · 17/05/2023 17:30

I won't say what I think of your father but Yanbu. Could you put any savings in an 30-day account so you can legitimately say you can't access the money? Even if you later move most of it out again just mention the accountt whenever they ask for money and don't elaborate.

BakedTattie · 17/05/2023 17:35

Bloody hell your parents sounds awful!

I wouldn’t give them a penny. Seriously, are they not embarrassed basically blackmailing their child into giving them money. Shameful behaviour on their part.

Nevermind31 · 17/05/2023 17:36

Please stop enabling them. They can’t afford to live the life they live, and you can’t afford to keep propping them up.

Iyiyiiii · 17/05/2023 17:38

they asked me for £1k and said they would pay me back. I was annoyed but gave it. They have paid me back £100.

then a few days ago they asked me for £4k- for that same day!!

it was to pay disbursements for their business - maybe a customer hadn’t paid them or something.

I have some savings but that’s to last me for my Mat leave and for when my youngest starts nursery - and for when we need to refinance our mortgage in a few months. And we were saving for a loft conversion tbh. £4k isn’t a drop in the ocean for us! I told them I can’t do that. My dad said: goodbye and told me I’m incredibly selfish and that he doesn’t want a relationship with me anymore. He said he will be bankrupt that day if I don’t.

Dont be so wet - this is not your problem (or circus or monkeys!!)
Tell him not to let the door hit him on the way out

MargotBamborough · 17/05/2023 17:38

Oh my god, do not give them a penny.

Their behaviour is disgraceful.

You have to turn off the tap or you will be financially supporting them for the rest of their lives.

RoseslnTheHospital · 17/05/2023 17:41

I think you're being very very generous to give your mum a monthly sum and to pay for health insurance for her. For them to then ask for random large sums on top, sometimes demanding them immediately... wow. I think you've become so accustomed to their financial abuse that you can't see it for that at all.

Your DH is right. You need to disengage and protect yourself from their chaotic ways.

Dacadactyl · 17/05/2023 17:41

No way. They should sell the BTL. They sound like chancers!

determinedtomakethiswork · 17/05/2023 17:44

Are you in the UK? If so why are you paying for health insurance for your mother?

determinedtomakethiswork · 17/05/2023 17:44

I'm sorry but your dad sounds absolutely horrible. I don't think you should give him a penny.

gamerchick · 17/05/2023 17:46

Come out of the FOG OP.

Tell him he asks again the 200 quid a month stops now and they can sink or swim. Stand up for yourself lass.

LakieLady · 17/05/2023 17:47

Sorry to say this, but your parents (or possibly just your DF) are cheeky fuckers.

Just tell them you haven't got it (which it sounds like you haven't) and remind them that they still owe you £900.

Namechangedforthis25 · 17/05/2023 17:48

RoseslnTheHospital · 17/05/2023 17:41

I think you're being very very generous to give your mum a monthly sum and to pay for health insurance for her. For them to then ask for random large sums on top, sometimes demanding them immediately... wow. I think you've become so accustomed to their financial abuse that you can't see it for that at all.

Your DH is right. You need to disengage and protect yourself from their chaotic ways.

Thanks for this

as an only child I couldn’t really speak to anyone when I was younger about this stuff - and it’s still difficult to gauge what’s normal

my parents are immigrants but I’m British born - but they have always been of the mindset that kids pay for and look after their parents

thing is I’m happy to give them a roof at mine if they need it or give them food or whatever - but being asked £4K randomly at 3pm to transfer that same day - it just pushed me over the edge after many decades of dealing with this!

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Namechangedforthis25 · 17/05/2023 17:49

determinedtomakethiswork · 17/05/2023 17:44

Are you in the UK? If so why are you paying for health insurance for your mother?

Yes UK

it’s a health cash plan for dentistry, glasses etc. I don’t want my mum to suffer for my dads horrible stubbornness and unorthodox chaotic behaviour.

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Madamecastafiore · 17/05/2023 17:52

Stop enabling them OP.

Pull back and make them take some responsibility, they're using you as a cash cow.

RoseslnTheHospital · 17/05/2023 17:56

There's a difference between looking after parents and allowing them to commit financial abuse. Especially because it's caused by your Dad's paranoia, odd beliefs and very poor business management.

I like the idea that a PP said about saying that if they continue to demand any additional sums from you that you will stop the monthly payments and the health insurance. I think that's reasonable, assuming that giving them £200x12 plus the annual insurance cost is easily affordable for you?

CatastrophicCat · 17/05/2023 18:01

You're not helping them by giving them money OP, it's a bottomless pit unless/until they change their approach to finances because the same thing will keep on happening so you're just helping them perpetuate the cycle. It's a bit like addiction, every penny you give to an addict (to 'help' them fend off their craving/latest crisis) is prolonging their habit and delaying them hitting 'rock bottom' and realising they have to get help to tackle the addiction.

Your Dad's reaction is also very definitely not ok and, again, reminds me of addiction, emotional blackmail and manipulation to ensure he gets what he wants at all costs. I know it's hard but I think this is a 'tough love' situation, for your parents own sake you can't carry on saving them from rock bottom or nothing will ever change.

takealettermsjones · 17/05/2023 18:02

No, no, no, no, no. They are hugely taking advantage of you. They are abusive. Do you want your kids thinking this kind of extortion is okay?

If they sold both their London properties, moved away from London, and used the NHS like everybody else, they might be able to afford to retire. If not, they need to work, not turn to you every five minutes.

Tell them that actually, you're tired of being exploited, you're stopping the £200 a month and they can get in touch with you when they're ready to repay you the £900 they already owe you.

lanthanum · 17/05/2023 18:31

I guess it's made a bit more difficult if they're from a culture where traditionally the parents rely on their children for money as they get older. They need to understand that things are done differently here, and the tax/benefits/pensions system is set up on the assumption that the older generation don't take money from their children. State pensions are well protected with the triple-lock, and childcare is expensive.

Tell them that you have to budget and plan your finances, even if they don't, so you can't give them random amounts. You're giving them a regular contribution, and you'd be happy to go with them to a financial adviser who can give them best advice on how to make best use of their assets. The idea of putting your savings in an account you can't withdraw from quickly is a good idea, too.

Namechangedforthis25 · 17/05/2023 20:40

Thanks.

my DH is aghast at this so it’s really useful to have a benchmark

Thanks - I can’t be too outing but in hindsight I’m not sure I’d blame their culture

none of my family or family friends are the same - their parents are enjoying retirement (going out for dinners/ going on holidays/ able to babysit)

Objectively I know my dad is abusive- but I guess it’s difficult for me to know whether any part of his behaviour is normal

and I felt really guilty about wanting to add a floor to my house when my dad is telling me their lives will change forever as they will be bankrupt if I don’t give them the money I’ve saved up for

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takealettermsjones · 17/05/2023 20:44

If it's actually true that they will be bankrupt without your £4k (which I doubt, but anyway) - it sounds like bankruptcy might be the best thing for them, given their awful money management.

I really doubt it would get to that - they have considerable assets and obviously have credit if they have a BTL mortgage. Why can't they take out a loan?

itsmylife7 · 17/05/2023 20:46

Your poor thing being emotionally blackmailed by your parents. No it's really not normal.
Look up FOG...fear obligation guilt.

bluebeck · 17/05/2023 20:46

What do you mean when you say you have to be close for the kids?

They are toxic and manipulative and shouldn’t be anywhere near your DC.

Your father is financially and emotionally abusing you. He doesn’t give a shit about you or his GC so long as he can carry on fannying about.

I would not give them another penny.

Effieswig · 17/05/2023 20:52

You absolutely don’t need be close for the kids. You should be creating distance for your kids.

Neither side of family is from the UK. There’s a few relatives on Dads side that keep saying it’s tradition for their kids to support them. It’s not. It’s an excuse people use to keep abusing their kids into adulthood. Tradition often gets rolled out, to manipulate.

I think you need to stop financially supporting your mum and dads choices. That’s leaving the situation open. You support them in some ways so why not all ways?

and absolutely do not having them living with you and your kids.

Namechangedforthis25 · 17/05/2023 20:53

takealettermsjones · 17/05/2023 20:44

If it's actually true that they will be bankrupt without your £4k (which I doubt, but anyway) - it sounds like bankruptcy might be the best thing for them, given their awful money management.

I really doubt it would get to that - they have considerable assets and obviously have credit if they have a BTL mortgage. Why can't they take out a loan?

I think their credit rating is dire. I told my mum once my credit rating had improved and she laughed saying credit ratings are meaningless

They had an interest free mortgage on their larger house for the entire term but were simply lucky that the value quadrupled during their ownership

i am only now understanding how ridiculous their money situation is because I’m a grown up with my own family.

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