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Namechangedforthis25 · 17/05/2023 17:26

is it ok for my parents to ask me to transfer £4k that same day to help with their business disbursements? Detail below:

Im an only child and have 2 young kids. I’m currently on Mat leave from a professional job.

my salary is good as is my husbands - but I work long hours for that. And we live in London with high housing costs and nursery costs and later this year I’ll be paying another £2k for my youngest to go to nursery. It’s extortionate

my parents are OAPs but aren’t able to retire - they are self employed professionals but have mismanaged money their whole lives - my dad is eccentric and to be honest has a temper and can be manipulative and emotionally abusive.

they have never saved, or had a pension (my dad doesn’t trust pension providers!) and have borrowed loads (personal debts and business debts). but did manage to buy a 5 bed house in London and another smaller house which they let. Equity has built up and he recently did an equity release on the larger house to be able to live there. But not enough to retire.

For the past 30 years my parents have said they don’t want to do what they do but have never done anything else, done any research or taken advice.

my dad doesn’t even have a will as he doesn’t like to think about death. I mean it’s just shocking. And I can argue with him until my face turns blue - he is stubborn and narrow minded.

anyway ever since I started working in a grad role my parents have asked me for money occasionally (sometimes every few months, sometimes not for a few years) - and I have given what I can. Once I even took out a pay day loan to give them money because my dad said he would be bankrupt otherwise and also threatened suicide. He called me when I was in my office and it’s all I could think about that day as a grad.

recently my parents buy to let mortgage has increased on their small house and they are saying they have a lot of financial issues - eg their boiler doesn’t work. and on my birthday(!) they asked me for £1k and said they would pay me back. I was annoyed but gave it. They have paid me back £100.

then a few days ago they asked me for £4k- for that same day!!

it was to pay disbursements for their business - maybe a customer hadn’t paid them or something.

I have some savings but that’s to last me for my Mat leave and for when my youngest starts nursery - and for when we need to refinance our mortgage in a few months. And we were saving for a loft conversion tbh. £4k isn’t a drop in the ocean for us! I told them I can’t do that. My dad said: goodbye and told me I’m incredibly selfish and that he doesn’t want a relationship with me anymore. He said he will be bankrupt that day if I don’t.

but now I feel guilty. Do I give him this money - it’s a chunk of my savings and not a drop in the ocean.

if I pay them this month, I don’t trust that they will pay me back which means we will lose that money which we need.

we don’t love a frivolous life. It’s not like I go to the Maldives - we do have an extended 3 bed house in London but it’s still smaller than their 5 bed!

i feel like if I give them this money then it won’t stop.

and does it mean I can’t eg go on holidays with my kids or even day trips or do a loft conversion which we need - when they are suffering. They work hard but so do I - weekends and late nights. If I had the money I would give it anyway.

my DH says they are abusive but we need to be close for the kids.

I give my mum £200 a month anyway and pay for her health insurance - happy to do that.

aibu in not giving them this money as and when they want it - usually the same day.

Just at a total loss as to whether this is normal, reasonable, ok.

thanks

OP posts:
Thesunwillcomeoutverysoon · 17/05/2023 20:54

Your responsibility it to your dc not your dps...

Modda · 17/05/2023 20:57

Not a fucking chance

Let him go bankrupt, it's nothing to do with you and I bet you he doesn't anyway.

LIZS · 17/05/2023 21:02

Why would you give them money? They can ask, you can say no,

LIZS · 17/05/2023 21:03

it’s a health cash plan for dentistry, glasses etc. I don’t want my mum to suffer for my dads horrible stubbornness and unorthodox chaotic behaviour.

Why should she suffer. They can call upon nhs like majority in UK.

Babyroobs · 17/05/2023 21:03

Why can't they sell the smaller house or rent out a couple of bedrooms in their 5 bedroom house if they are struggling ? It's really annoying when these types of people plead poverty.

Namechangedforthis25 · 17/05/2023 21:08

itsmylife7 · 17/05/2023 20:46

Your poor thing being emotionally blackmailed by your parents. No it's really not normal.
Look up FOG...fear obligation guilt.

Just googled FOG - sh*t this ties in with what they are doing doesn’t it

“using emotional blackmail to evoke a sense of guilt to give into their wishes even at the expense of my basic needs”

I’m a bit shocked

and also angry that now they seem to be doing it at the expense of my children too

OP posts:
Namechangedforthis25 · 17/05/2023 21:10

Babyroobs · 17/05/2023 21:03

Why can't they sell the smaller house or rent out a couple of bedrooms in their 5 bedroom house if they are struggling ? It's really annoying when these types of people plead poverty.

They can do all of those things - or even downsize or take a lodger

but he said he will never sell that house as it’s near a tube station

yes I know - it’s ridiculous when I say it back

OP posts:
takealettermsjones · 17/05/2023 21:13

he said he will never sell that house as it’s near a tube station

....

3luckystars · 17/05/2023 21:21

None of this is normal.

you are their child, not their keeper. Don’t give them another penny.

Seas164 · 17/05/2023 21:27

No this isn't normal.

There are lots of things going on here however none of them are your responsibility.

They do not get to demand money from you, of any amount, and threaten suicide as an alternative. That is blackmail. Nobody can do this to you, even and especially your father.

Your responsibility is to your own family, your DH and your kids. Your DH has a point, this is outrageous.

AudHvamm · 17/05/2023 21:47

I loaned my dad £12k when he was moving house. He needed a bridging loan and was waiting to hear back from someone. I offered. I think he felt sheepish, and was very respectful about the whole thing. He paid me back within days with many thanks. I would do it again. Your dad isn't either of those things, and you shouldn't loan him money.

Your DH is right, it is abusive if your father to threaten you when you have boundaries. I'm sorry you are experiencing this. Go low contact for a while, get some therapy and concentrate on enjoying your baby and building your respectful and loving family with DH and your children.

LadyLapsang · 17/05/2023 21:56

Apart from anything else it doesn’t make financial sense to give them money as you will increase the size of their estate and so pay more inheritance tax. If they need money, which sounds questionable, loan them money formally through a solicitor to decrease the size of the estate.

IDontWantToBeAPie · 18/05/2023 08:46

No don't give in. I know it's hard.

If he truly does cut you out for it then sadly... you'll know he's been using you as a cash cow all these years.

I wouldn't pay someone who didn't care about me and only wanted my wallet. It's their fault they haven't prepared or learnt to manage money. They've had enough time.

Saucemonkey · 18/05/2023 09:19

Cancel any thing you pay for them, stop giving them money, stop everything and go nc. You have been conditioned to accept abuse and the threats of suicide are part of that. They said it’s over, accept it and turn your phone off. You have to protect your children from this, because they are next on your parents radar!

MayThe4th · 18/05/2023 09:30

OP if my dh was using family money to give thousands and thousands to his parents on a regular basis I would give him an ultimatum. Either he stops doing it or I would leave.

I know your dh is saying at this point that you shouldn’t give them money, but you run the risk of putting your marriage at risk if you continue with this. It’s not ok to give your family’s money to your parents. They are their own family. They can manage their own money. And frankly if they go bankrupt because of it then that’s probably not a bad thing.

You need to stop. Stop paying your mum’s insurance, stop giving them money, given they don’t paying back it’s not a loan is it, and concentrate on your own family.

And your children don’t need to be close to such abusive and manipulative people.

The less you have to do with these people, the more you will gain.

MargotBamborough · 18/05/2023 09:33

MayThe4th · 18/05/2023 09:30

OP if my dh was using family money to give thousands and thousands to his parents on a regular basis I would give him an ultimatum. Either he stops doing it or I would leave.

I know your dh is saying at this point that you shouldn’t give them money, but you run the risk of putting your marriage at risk if you continue with this. It’s not ok to give your family’s money to your parents. They are their own family. They can manage their own money. And frankly if they go bankrupt because of it then that’s probably not a bad thing.

You need to stop. Stop paying your mum’s insurance, stop giving them money, given they don’t paying back it’s not a loan is it, and concentrate on your own family.

And your children don’t need to be close to such abusive and manipulative people.

The less you have to do with these people, the more you will gain.

This. ⬆

SeasonFinale · 18/05/2023 09:37

Don't hand over a penny more. Stop the £200 a month to your mum - that is £2400 a year. If you really must pay the health plan but state it is her birthday and Christmas gift.

They could sell their 5 bed and live in their smaller house.

orangegato · 18/05/2023 09:37

They have two houses ffs, what are you thinking giving them money?

It’s a hard no from me. If your business hasn’t made a dime in years you’d get more working in McDonalds. The fact people won’t face facts and get a job isn’t anyone else’s problem.

Dogscanteatonions · 18/05/2023 09:40

This is fucking awful. Do not give in, do not give them more money. There will always be something else down the line. The more you bail them out the less likely they will be to take responsibility and actually do what needs to be done - they have options available to them.

Sounds like bankruptcy might be the best plan - and if as they say credit ratings mean nothing then why does it matter ask that much to them?

Your DH is a saint putting up with this - you really really need to put your own family first

Dogscanteatonions · 18/05/2023 09:42

And it's disgusting that your dad says your relationship with him is entirely dependent on you giving him money. How awful

TedMullins · 18/05/2023 09:56

Fucking hell. This is really, deeply abusive. I’d have told them to go fuck themselves and their feckless entitlement and cut them off long ago. The fact that they’re your parents doesn’t give them a right to bleed you dry

PandaPouch · 18/05/2023 09:57

Hell to the no

Newestname002 · 18/05/2023 10:02

@Namechangedforthis25

I echo what everyone else is saying. Cut your parents off financially because they are using you as a cash cow to paper over their own financial ineptitude. It certainly doesn't look like you'll get any of the "loans" you've made already. And you taking out an expensive pay day loan to cover them financially is worrying for your own finances.

As far as the £200 monthly, you pay for your mother, wouldn't it be better, especially as she lives in the UK and has access to the NHS, to put that money into savings which are in your name and controlled by you, so that if she needs private healthcare that you have a dedicated pool of money to draw on? As far as spectacles are concerned there are so many deals available- she doesn't have to go for the most expensive. If she needs regular prescriptions a 12 month prepayment prescription certificate is £111.60 so a sizeable saving to be made if she has lots of medications.

Dentistry costs have certainly gone up but surely still manageable for people with two properties - especially one rented out?

Also this ⬇️ comment:

my DH says they are abusive but we need to be close for the kids.

Is it fair to subject your children from people who blackmail you and treat you so badly?

You need to protect yourself and your children from the abusive entitlement you are currently enduring and resist any further financial demands.

You could, however, point them to organisations which can help them sort out their finances - just be careful not to get dragged into it all on your own. 🌹

forrestgreen · 18/05/2023 10:06

'Dear mum and dad. I was shocked to get your last request for a loan. I've sat for quite some time thinking, and have to let you know that over the last x months you've borrowed £x. You repaid £x on (date). I'm sorry that you're not in a good situation but I'm not in a position to help going forward. I'm happy to share our financial planning person's details if that will help you. But please make your financial decisions based on the proviso that I cannot help any more. I have my own house, and my own child now and I need to make sure our finances are sound. I love you both but the answer is no'

Tbh you don't need a relationship for your child, they sound like arses who manipulate you at the drop of a hat.

What will this teach your child?

Eventingmum · 18/05/2023 10:08

To be honest you would be best letting him go bankrupt. It' the only way he will learn.
They are lucky you have been able to support them so far, but you need to think about your own future now.

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