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AIBU to not invite Sil's bf to christening. It is a long one with a backstory about inlaws behaviour.

52 replies

SilIssuesAgain · 11/05/2023 18:30

It is a very long one and this is not my first post about my in laws.

Background on Mil: She tries to control and have a say in everything my husband does. From small things like what he buys for peoples birthdays / sending cards to big life events. It feels like she thinks she can control every aspect of his/ our lives and treats us like we are incapable children always giving unsolicited advice and pointing out the obvious. She will contact him lots checking he has done something or is going to do something. Guilt trips and emotional blackmail is very common if you don't do what she wants. There has been times he has not done what she wanted and basically shunned him / reduced almost all contact with him for weeks or months.

Many examples: She told my dh the maximum amount he should spend on my engagement ring. She tried to pick out the place we have our wedding meal at. She demanded to know how much we were going to donate at my sons Christening at the church in front of everyone. She didn’t want us to have a baby (telling dh I hope your not trying for a baby). When dh told her I was pregnant she was almost in tears on the phone asking how will we cope. She was also very against me breastfeeding ringing almost everyday for the first months asking if I was still breastfeeding. She came into my bedroom when I was trying to breastfeed in the first week and she told me “its just so difficult, there is really no shame in giving up”. She told dh if I stop breastfeeding she will buy him a perfect prep machine. When we have decided I will be a sahm she told dh I should just work because I need a job and even said she will pay for part of nursery as my son will be better off in nursery. One weekend we said she couldn't visit because I was really ill with an infection. Because she couldn't visit that weekend she was shouting at dh over the phone saying "I'm just trying to help" and “my behaviour is not normal”. Then she didn't visit for months and just sent texts implying we were stopping her from seeing her grandchild. She also looked for any minor excuse to try to blame him or scold him for something for months. She tries to pick out different jobs for dh and even links him jobs. She got dh's step father to tell him its nice he enjoys his job but he should be earning more to support his family (we are financially fine and have never asked them for money). The jobs she picks out don't even pay much better. They are just a lot closer to her.
She also tries to control all family events and holidays. Dh would always have to visit at Christmas time and he has to stay for a bare minimum of 2 nights. When I would go to her house for Christmas she told dh I need to talk to other family members more, and I need to make an effort on Christmas day and dress up and wear make-up. It felt like the whole day was controlled and you even got woken up at 7am to open presents. For years it was always us going there for Christmas and boxing day. When we got our first house, the first time we were going to spend it with my parents her reply was "but it could be your grandmothers last Christmas".
It is also trying to control family news as well, telling him to text or call friends or family about things. Or telling dh that he must send our wedding and christening invites / information to people by a certain time. She wants to know everything, even my private medical matters. The thing that has ruined the relationship the most is my son has having a language delay and behaviour issues since the age of 1. She would constantly insinuate it was our fault asking things like are we even talking to him and pointing out his behaviour is not normal. One time commenting don't you even know your own age in an almost mocking way when he could not answer. He has since been diagnosed as being autistic. Since his diagnosis we have not had an apology for her behaviour. She is fact denies she said any of it and uses emotional blackmail saying things like “how can you think that of me, an I wont tell step Fil that you think that of me”. She will lie and deny a lot of the things I'm saying here or say “I’m just trying to help”. Over the years I have went more low contact and asked dh to stop sharing so information, especially about me. Because of this I am the black sheep of the family and seen as always being unreasonable by the family.

Background on Sil: Since I have known her Sil has always made demands on our time and private information, it is not a two way street. Like asking private information about us and our family but she would get annoyed with dh if he did the same, her personal life is private. She asked to attend dc's first video appointment with the paediatrician for his autism diagnoses. It really feels like she expects special treatment from dh. Tantrums or stroppy behaviour if you don't want to do what she wants.

Examples: She expected us to break lockdown rules at Christmas and travel 60 miles to clean Mil's rental property. She of course was not going to help clean. One time she arrived in a neighbouring city next to us early and she than expected us to drop what we doing to come see her. She would ask for expensive makeup that costs £40-60 from us for every birthday and Christmas and she would get us a £5-10 gift in return. One Christmas she asked for a 20 pounds and a 40 pounds make-up item and we only got her the 20 pounds items and she actually said is that it! On Christmas day when we would stay at Mil’s house she would bang on our bedroom door at 7am because she wanted us to open presents together. Mil would want help with Christmas prepping (perfectly reasonable) but every year Sil would point at me an dh when Mil asked who would help, she never once helped out. In the past when I made her lunch at my house she did not lift a finger.
There is also her behaviour which both annoys me and I find odd – examples are - at my sons christening he started to cry when the water was poured on his head and she started laughing out loud. When my autistic ds pronounced something wrong and she said what was that and started laughing. Frankly at this point I do not want her around my son if she is going to laugh at things he struggles with due to his autism. The latest thing that I am at the end of my tether with her (my last post) was Sil just complained to dh that her birthday card is not signed with our children names on it. Especially after the difficult 2 years we have had (the year it took for my son to be diagnosed and my 1 week old daughter being hospitalized with seizures). She also did not enquire as to my well-being when I was in hospital with pneumonia while pregnant and she did not come to see my daughter while in the hospital with seizures.

We are having a christening for our 6 month old daughter. Sil has been dating her boyfriend for 8 or 9 months – not sure exactly. They moved in together last month I think. Mil has said we have to invite him to the christening, but I don’t want him there as I have never met him and I don’t like meeting strangers. And at this point with putting up with Mil and Sil not respecting boundaries and their behaviour for the past 14 years I now really don’t want him at the christening. AIBU or am I letting Mil’s and Sil’s behaviour cloud my judgement.

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Gazelda · 11/05/2023 20:14

I think you're right to be low contact with your MIL and SIL.

I think you're wrong not to respect your DH's wishes and ask if he'd like to invite the boyfriend.

Your DH has gone from overpowering home to another. It's no wonder he doesn't stand up for himself.

GabriellaMontez · 11/05/2023 20:14

They are the biggest problem in my marriage,

No. Your husband is.

I wouldn't have any more dealings with them. No texts, phone calls. Why are you in touch with them?

Sil's boyfriend is the least of your worries.

SilIssuesAgain · 11/05/2023 20:15

but probably destined to cause you more upset somewhere down the line unless I give into all their demands I will always be seen as unreasonable / the black sheep of the family so I might as well just do what I want and I genuinely dont want the bf there. That is why I am low contact with them.

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RubiesAndRaindrops · 11/05/2023 20:16

Damned if you do and damned if you don't, so do what you want! Really though all of them need to be cut out of your lives, unfortunately it sounds like DH isn't ready for that, I hope he comes to his senses.

SilIssuesAgain · 11/05/2023 20:20

Your DH has gone from overpowering home to another. I just want healthy boundaries but since dh is in the FOG it has taken alot of time to go low contact

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SilIssuesAgain · 11/05/2023 20:22

Damned if you do and damned if you don't, so do what you want! Yes this is exactly how I feel at this point

Really though all of them need to be cut out of your lives, unfortunately it sounds like DH isn't ready for that dh is still in the FOG I think it is called. After the way Mil treated our autistic son he started to see my point of view more though.

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Gazelda · 11/05/2023 20:23

I appreciate you want healthy boundaries. You are doubtless correct in going LC.

But my point is that you've not give your DH the opportunity to say who he would like to invite to his daughters christening.

UWhatNow · 11/05/2023 20:25

All that back story about the toxic MIL and a pathetic DH and who is getting the boot for it…? A random you don’t even know.

Just have a nice christening - try to keep the gospel message in your heart as you’re bringing your child before God to join the church family.

Then later, reflect on how you want these relationships going forward into the future. Either reconcile wholeheartedly or draw a line and walk away. There doesn’t seem to be a middle ground, and the bitterness and anger is clear in your posts. Do you really want to be like that?

Nobsandnockers · 11/05/2023 20:47

The boyfriend is irrelevant. It is the vile MIL and SIL who need sorting. You do realise that other women would not put up with this behaviour don’t you? And you don’t either. Tell DH he can see his family but you and your children will not. How could you expose your vulnerable child to their behaviour?
Dont worry about being the black sheep. Do something they would believe is unforgivable ( like uninviting all of them from the christening) and with luck, they will never talk to you again. How can you put with this level of shit?

JenniferBarkley · 11/05/2023 20:54

I think you called this one wrong OP. It's very much the norm to invite live in partners, especially of someone as close as sibling. You've just given them ammunition to paint you as the bad guy.

I've read many of your threads ( don't think I'd put together that they're all the same family!), they're clearly awful.

pictoosh · 11/05/2023 21:15

SilIssuesAgain · 11/05/2023 20:20

Your DH has gone from overpowering home to another. I just want healthy boundaries but since dh is in the FOG it has taken alot of time to go low contact

Well you're not implementing any by taking this stance over your sil's boyfriend. It's just petty and tit for tat. If you have bigger fish to fry, fair enough...but trampling over your dh isn't the way to do it.

I know it doesn't matter what I say but seeing as you asked...I think you're being as bad as they allegedly are. It's not sil's boyfriend's doing...stop being such a prick.

Pseudonamed · 11/05/2023 21:16

I think you are being unreasonable.

CuriouslyDifferent · 11/05/2023 21:21

Tinkerbyebye · 11/05/2023 18:42

Just don’t invite any of them to the christening job done

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for your own sanity, understand these people are toxic. My family was similar. Best thing I ever did was go nc.

Jagley · 11/05/2023 21:26

SIL and MIL sound awful, and you have every reason to go nc, your husband needs to step up on that. On this though I think YABU, if you're inviting SIL then you should invite her live in partner, you could always ask to meet him before the christening so you aren't meeting a stranger on the day.

Treesoutsidemywindow · 11/05/2023 21:33

I agree with the poster who said that you should tell your DH that he's welcome to see his family if he wants to, but you want nothing to do with them, and they will not be spending time with your children. If he says they're my children too, then you should tell him that when you believe he's strong enough to step up and protect his children from his poisonous mother and the rest of his family, which he clearly hasn't done so far, he can take them to see them, but until that point, they won't be going anywhere near. As for being the black sheep, be proud, it shows that you're not taking the bullshit laying down. Be strong OP, stand up for yourself and your children, and quite honestly, if your DH continues to let his family control your married and family life, then I'd be seriously thinking about whether or not you want to remain married to him, although of course if you were to split, it would enable him to have the children solely in his care, at times, and therefore likely to be under the influence of his mother, so maybe better to stay put, but that's your decision to make.

As a matter of interest, do you have any family of your own around, and if so, what do they think of what's going on?

pictoosh · 11/05/2023 21:45

There are a lot of these 'in law' scenarios on Mumsnet. I often wonder how it would sound from the other side. Quite a different perspective I should think.

People here advise going no contact on the word of a disgruntled stranger on the internet. People insisting her dh put aside his family on the strength of a few exaggerated petty gripes which reading between the lines, sound like six of one and half a dozen of the other. This woman is taking her ire out on her sil's boyfriend who is nothing to do with any of it. She's not taking a stand, she's childishly using the christening to insist on something stupid and eliberately devisive. With her dh caught in the middle.
It's as though men aren't allowed to love their families without the say so of their wives. Fucking mental.

SoTired12 · 11/05/2023 21:47

SilIssuesAgain · 11/05/2023 19:55

I have sent this message to Mil - Well I have decided Sils boyfriend (that I have never met, that I know nothing about) is NOT invited to my daughters christening. If people are unhappy with my decision they can address their concerns to me if they so wish.
I am just so sick of them and I don't care if Sil decides not to come - frankly it will make me happier as no chance she can laugh like she did at sons christening

Good for you ❤️ you have put up with their disgusting behaviour for far too long.

katemulberrybush · 11/05/2023 22:29

You sound childish. Of course you must invite him

AP5Diva · 11/05/2023 22:43

It almost reads like your DH’s mum (MIL) and sister (SIL) are autistic too!
MIL seems to have family as her obsession so needs every detail, has good intentions but always says the wrong thing.
The 7am Christmas present opening is a sacred routine and all must be present
SIL making blunt comment ‘is this it’ when you reduced what you usually got her as a gift
SIL laughing inappropriately at a christening
The fear of hospitals, uncertainty as to should I should I not visit.

Autism runs in families. There is a massive genetic component and it is almost always girls/women who go undiagnosed.

But in answer to your question, I thought christenings were a church service that any member of the church can attend. I haven’t heard of it being like a wedding where it’s invitation only. I would think anyone part of the family should normally be included.

Acatnamedfox · 11/05/2023 23:21

How many posts begin you stop contact?

Acatnamedfox · 11/05/2023 23:22

*before not begin ffs

SilIssuesAgain · 12/05/2023 07:14

the bitterness and anger is clear in your posts. Do you really want to be like that?
No I don't but after so long putting up with there behaviour it is really getting to me.

although of course if you were to split, it would enable him to have the children solely in his care, at times, and therefore likely to be under the influence of his mother Yeah this make me feel a bit trapped as I dont want mil or sil to have unsupervised contact, goodness knows what manipulative crap she would say to them. As for Sil laughing at my autistic child for me it is 3 strikes then she will not be seeing him at all. I cant rely on dh to call her out on it, but I will.

As a matter of interest, do you have any family of your own around, and if so, what do they think of what's going on? Yeah I have parents but no siblings. My parents think Mil is a awful narcissist especially after she sent my parents a passive aggressive text after the birth of my son. My dad was shocked by that as I think at first he thought I was exaggerating her behaviour. Also with how little interest she shows in my children when she sees them. She just comes and wants attention from my dh.

I often wonder how it would sound from the other side. Quite a different perspective I should think. Mil would either deny she has said or done these things. She denied implying I caused my sons language delay after he was diagnosed with autism. This is what has opened my dh's eyes to Mils behaviour more. Or she would say "I am just trying to help" or claim I am being unreasonable or not normal for not going along with what she wants.

It almost reads like your DH’s mum (MIL) and sister (SIL) are autistic too! Could be but I have been thinking Mil is a covert narcissist for a long time now.

I thought christenings were a church service that any member of the church can attend. I haven’t heard of it being like a wedding where it’s invitation only Is that also the case for the buffet afterwards that I am paying for?

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SilIssuesAgain · 14/05/2023 18:37

Update - Got a reply from Sil saying she is not going if her boyfriend is not going and calling my behaviour not normal. It was worded exactly like Mil wrote it - the exact same way and style Mil does. Not going to change my mind on it as I won't be manipulated by inlaws. Atleast she won't be there to laugh at my daughter like she did with my son.

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EsmeSusanOgg · 14/05/2023 19:09

Good.

GabriellaMontez · 15/05/2023 15:35

Good result.

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