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The People demand that the Boats are Stopped.

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noblegiraffe · 09/05/2023 13:07

I keep reading about the Tory government working hard to deliver the people's priorities:

"Rishi Sunak and the Conservative Government are focused on five immediate priorities. We will halve inflation, grow the economy, reduce debt, cut NHS waiting lists and stop the boats."

Halve inflation (will happen anyway), grow the economy (vague), reduce debt (vague), cut NHS waiting lists (maybe by paying nurses and doctors more?), stop the boats (what?).

Maybe it's just where I live, but I'm not seeing this immediate urgent need to "stop the boats". It's certainly nowhere near my top 5 priorities for the government to be immediately tackling. If it was, I'd probably look at creating legal routes for genuine asylum seekers as a first step rather than shipping them to Rwanda.

Is it in your top 5 urgent government priorities? Are they speaking to the people and I've just completely missed it?

YABU: Stopping the boats is in my top 5 government priorities.
YANBU: I'm more concerned about something else and would bump Stop the Boats down the list.

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Jonei · 11/05/2023 23:14

Brittl · 11/05/2023 23:07

I didn't give a shit if someone's an alien from out of space when I did work as a care assistant as long as they helped. The current influx of 70 percent male refugees aren't going to solve the care crisis as the patients don't want men to provide their personal care. I think patients have the right to choose if they want men to shower them.

The clients don't get a choice. If there's only male workers and they need the care, then they have no choice.

And it doesn't matter if you are happy about that. What matters is the people who are actually recieving the care feel about it.

Jonei · 11/05/2023 23:15

Brittl · 11/05/2023 23:11

And no it was not crap for the male carers they were quite happy they could sit down and mess around on their phone while getting paid. This was quite a few years ago now but I'm sure it's getting worse with the aging population.

I've come across some doing care work that spend the time on their phones, or even going to sleep on the sofa.

noblegiraffe · 11/05/2023 23:20

Not sure why there’s this insistence that everyone on the boats is unskilled, while everyone from Hong Kong is a going to be a higher rate tax payer.

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Brittl · 11/05/2023 23:21

Jonei · 11/05/2023 23:14

The clients don't get a choice. If there's only male workers and they need the care, then they have no choice.

And it doesn't matter if you are happy about that. What matters is the people who are actually recieving the care feel about it.

They do get a choice because its distressing. An elderly lady with dementia wondering why two men are undressing her, she doesn't have the capacity to understand why. Families don't like it , it's undignified.

Jonei · 11/05/2023 23:25

Brittl · 11/05/2023 23:21

They do get a choice because its distressing. An elderly lady with dementia wondering why two men are undressing her, she doesn't have the capacity to understand why. Families don't like it , it's undignified.

They don't get a choice if there is no choice. 🙄 The choice often is males. Or no one.

Brittl · 11/05/2023 23:27

Jonei · 11/05/2023 23:25

They don't get a choice if there is no choice. 🙄 The choice often is males. Or no one.

Well ffs there is because the female carers end up doing it all while the men sit on their phones.

Jonei · 12/05/2023 00:27

Brittl · 11/05/2023 23:27

Well ffs there is because the female carers end up doing it all while the men sit on their phones.

Erm, that's not the case when there's no female carers available. 🤨

Brittl · 12/05/2023 00:54

Jonei · 12/05/2023 00:27

Erm, that's not the case when there's no female carers available. 🤨

There's usually at least one female carer on shift.

ChellyT · 12/05/2023 06:03

ThreeFeetTall · 09/05/2023 13:12

But there ARE legal routes and just because only 1 person has ever accessed the scheme shouldn't mean anything! It's a mystery why they keep coming on dangerous boats. Confused

Your privilege is showing! Are fucking you serious? Why do they keep coming? This is a question you've spoken to others about, you've had the audacity to post this... SERIOUSLY?

While I don't know your actual birth rights I look at mine as pure happenstance that I was born in a free country with privileges others couldn't even dream were actually available to them. Where women are not treated as 3rd class citizens, to a free medical/educational system, where my place of birth/passport speaks before I even utter a word.

Walkaround · 12/05/2023 06:39

Maybe, as with Brexit before it, some people want to “stop the boats” so that another smokescreen used to distract people from the Government failure to invest in levelling up can be removed, enabling them to see more clearly that the country’s massive problems and gross inequalities are actually the fault of the Government and not of the EU or illegal immigration. Or maybe the people who want to stop the boats are pleased the country is in such a mess, because if it gets bad enough, that might eventually stop the boats, or at least reverse their direction.

OrangeBlossomInMay · 12/05/2023 06:46

Nerdybum · 11/05/2023 23:05

Haven't RTFT as there's over 800 replies but just came to say, I live in Dover, I'm poor as shit, and the boats wouldn't even enter my list of top 50 priorities!! The country is in an absolute state right now and imo, the boats are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. My main issue with the boats is the loss of lives which is just awful.

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Walkaround · 12/05/2023 06:48

Once the boats are stopped, the Government can go back to blaming the indigenous poor for scrounging and being greedy and workshy.

KCIII · 12/05/2023 06:51

izimbra · 11/05/2023 22:54

"The problem is that patients refuse them. Females outnumber males massively in care homes its only 25 percent of men in a lot of them. When I was care assistant I used to get so pissed off because they kept sending men but the patients would refuse (which is their right) so my workload massively increased."

I can see that must have been hard for you, and probably really crap for the male carers too.

I thought you were objecting to foreign men being employed in the care industry but I assume you don't have a problem with foreign women doing the job?

What you actually did was accuse the poster of being racist.

Walkaround · 12/05/2023 07:05

“We will halve inflation” by suppressing pay; “grow the economy” by making the rich richer; “reduce debt” by underinvestment; “cut NHS waiting lists” by leaving as many people as possible to die prematurely instead of attempting treatment; and “stop the boats” by making the country a place people want to leave. Sorted.

Jonei · 12/05/2023 07:16

Brittl · 12/05/2023 00:54

There's usually at least one female carer on shift.

It might come as a surprise to you to know that where you live may not be the same as where I live.

If there are no females available, as I keep telling you the ratio of male care staff is much higher than females, then no, there isn't normally a female carer on shift.

Just to be clear, because I don't think you are understanding this, I am talking about domiciliary care which is care in people's own homes.

ThreeFeetTall · 12/05/2023 07:23

@ChellyT
It was supposed to be sarcastic. Obviously my sarcasm isn't very effective Blush

noblegiraffe · 12/05/2023 07:29

I've just been reading on another thread about how many job vacancies there are and how hospitality etc are really struggling for staff.

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MissyB1 · 12/05/2023 07:38

Walkaround · 12/05/2023 07:05

“We will halve inflation” by suppressing pay; “grow the economy” by making the rich richer; “reduce debt” by underinvestment; “cut NHS waiting lists” by leaving as many people as possible to die prematurely instead of attempting treatment; and “stop the boats” by making the country a place people want to leave. Sorted.

Yep seems to be the plan.

beguilingeyes · 12/05/2023 07:39

The country is not 'full'. The NHS has over 100,000 vacancies and on a different note, the service industry is crying out for people as we sent all the Europeans home. Almost every cafe/restaurant window I walk past these days want staff.
The reason a lot of them come here is because they have family here or speak English. Also we take a lot fewer refugees that almost everyone else. Poland has 1.5 million Ukrainians.

What I don't understand is why we don't let them work. It would be beneficial in both sides.

subsxribed · 12/05/2023 07:45

What would a revamped migrant policy look like that serves the most in need as well as assisting with any recruitment issues we may need help with?

SallyWD · 12/05/2023 08:22

beguilingeyes · 12/05/2023 07:39

The country is not 'full'. The NHS has over 100,000 vacancies and on a different note, the service industry is crying out for people as we sent all the Europeans home. Almost every cafe/restaurant window I walk past these days want staff.
The reason a lot of them come here is because they have family here or speak English. Also we take a lot fewer refugees that almost everyone else. Poland has 1.5 million Ukrainians.

What I don't understand is why we don't let them work. It would be beneficial in both sides.

Indeed!

Luckydip1 · 12/05/2023 09:02

The reason Rushi promised to Stop the Boats, is that it is a relatively affordable policy that appeals to a lot of swing racist voters.

Brittl · 12/05/2023 09:21

ChellyT · 12/05/2023 06:03

Your privilege is showing! Are fucking you serious? Why do they keep coming? This is a question you've spoken to others about, you've had the audacity to post this... SERIOUSLY?

While I don't know your actual birth rights I look at mine as pure happenstance that I was born in a free country with privileges others couldn't even dream were actually available to them. Where women are not treated as 3rd class citizens, to a free medical/educational system, where my place of birth/passport speaks before I even utter a word.

Do you think the world's rich countries can take everyone who wants a better life? You won the birth lottery, your clothes , exotic food , the electronics and cars are made by people in poorer countries working very long hours. The world is unfair. Maybe the government should start a scheme where you can swap citizenship.

Jonei · 12/05/2023 09:30

Where women are not treated as 3rd class citizens

That sounds racist.

to a free medical/educational system

It's only free at the point of access. Unless of course you don't actually pay into the system.

where my place of birth/passport speaks before I even utter a word.

What does your UK passport say to people from other countries, do you think?

Jonei · 12/05/2023 09:31

Maybe the government should start a scheme where you can swap citizenship.

Sounds like a bloody good idea. Those who can't stand living in the UK can arrange a swap with someone else.

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