The People demand that the Boats are Stopped.

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I keep reading about the Tory government working hard to deliver the people's priorities:

"Rishi Sunak and the Conservative Government are focused on five immediate priorities. We will halve inflation, grow the economy, reduce debt, cut NHS waiting lists and stop the boats."

Halve inflation (will happen anyway), grow the economy (vague), reduce debt (vague), cut NHS waiting lists (maybe by paying nurses and doctors more?), stop the boats (what?).

Maybe it's just where I live, but I'm not seeing this immediate urgent need to "stop the boats". It's certainly nowhere near my top 5 priorities for the government to be immediately tackling. If it was, I'd probably look at creating legal routes for genuine asylum seekers as a first step rather than shipping them to Rwanda.

Is it in your top 5 urgent government priorities? Are they speaking to the people and I've just completely missed it?

YABU: Stopping the boats is in my top 5 government priorities.
YANBU: I'm more concerned about something else and would bump Stop the Boats down the list.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-immigrants-affect-public-finances/

For everyone here having conniptions about the thought of bankrupting the UK - suggest you read this and calm down. It's from 2017, but the basics still apply - most migrants want to work, do work, and do contribute to our economy, if we let them.

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These are not people who will be paying for private schools and private health care

They are paying extra for healthcare - the health surcharge is nearly £11,000 for 2 adults and 2 children (5 year visa).

I haven't said those things are the same 😂 Read what's on the page, not what you think is on the page.

I don't have a problem with high skilled migrants who integrate from anywhere. We need more high rate taxpayers.

I find it interesting MNers have a problem with middle class people emigrating here. I think its some kind of weird racism like when the UK had brexit Mners were complaining about builders , nanny's and cleaners becoming more expensive. They don't want the competition from new arrivals but happy to have more lower paid to serve them at cheaper rates.

I find it interesting MNers have a problem with middle class people emigrating here.

I think you misunderstand.

I find it weird that when people arrive here by boat the country is creaking at the seams and there aren't any houses, no places in schools etc etc, but if it's a bunch of people arriving on a legal route created because Hong Kong has gone to shit, then it's just fine, they'll be great for the economy and schools and housing will magically not be a problem.

"I find it interesting MNers have a problem with middle class people emigrating here. I think its some kind of weird racism like when the UK had brexit Mners were complaining about builders , nanny's and cleaners becoming more expensive. They don't want the competition from new arrivals but happy to have more lower paid to serve them at cheaper rates."

This is another nonsense argument seeing hashed out on right wing social media feeds all the time. People think it's a real 'gotcha'. Except when you look at the evidence about the impact of immigration on wages - and see it's largely bollocks.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

Evidence suggests immigration has only a very minimal impact on wages for the lowest paid.

"Several studies have examined whether immigration leads to higher unemployment or lower wages among existing workers, and most have found either small or no effects."

"I don't have a problem with high skilled migrants who integrate from anywhere. We need more high rate taxpayers."

We also need more care workers, more agricultural workers, and more workers in hospitality.

Because the country can't function properly without them.

Yes, we need lots of unskilled workers, especially in care, nhs and hospitality.

We definitely need lots of unskilled males delivering personal care to the older population. I'm sure people would be delighted with unskilled male workers delivering personal care to their mums / grans. After all, it's not a job that needs any skills, right..

Millions of pounds of crops were left rotting in fields last year due to a labour shortage post-Brexit.

"Several studies have examined whether immigration leads to higher unemployment or lower wages among existing workers, and most have found either small or no effects."

Witnesses identified the self-employed and posted workers - which are categories in their own right under EU free movement rules - as meriting further scrutiny in any debate on the effect of migration on wages. Professor Manning emphasised that everything he had said about the evidence “relates to employees”, but that “a lot of the complaints are about self-employed people”, citing builders as an example. He warned that “the data on the earnings of the self-employed is non-existent. If you asked what research has been done on the impact of immigration on the earnings of the self-employed, the answer is zero”. The TUC noted that in the construction sector, they had been involved in disputes where migrant workers “were employed through agencies and umbrella companies, and facilitated through a false self-employment route..."

Yup

Yes doesn't it. Prejudiced almost.

Many won't be able to work legally, even if they do get status. It's very common for them to owe the traffickers thousands, to be paid off via modern slavery. This is one of the reasons the boats are so dreadful.

Most of the people here haven't been bottom of the food chain...competing for housing,jobs with people who will work for Jack shit.
this country is over crowded. The people on small boats are coming from france.

why the Fuck didn't they claim asylum there???? Money. Fuck them deter them...you start off in a country which is safe....so send them somewhere else

"We definitely need lots of unskilled males delivering personal care to the older population. I'm sure people would be delighted with unskilled male workers delivering personal care to their mums / grans. After all, it's not a job that needs any skills, right.."

Is your issue with men doing care work and nursing?

Or just foreign brown men doing care work and nursing?

Do you have the same issue with men working in nurseries?

I think care work is skilled. My mum was a carer for many years and was brilliant at it. But it's not a job that requires large amounts of clinical training. Hence care agencies and care homes being happy to take on staff who are neither experienced not qualified, and offering to train them on the job.

The problem is that patients refuse them. Females outnumber males massively in care homes its only 25 percent of men in a lot of them. When I was care assistant I used to get so pissed off because they kept sending men but the patients would refuse (which is their right) so my workload massively increased.

"The problem is that patients refuse them. Females outnumber males massively in care homes its only 25 percent of men in a lot of them. When I was care assistant I used to get so pissed off because they kept sending men but the patients would refuse (which is their right) so my workload massively increased."

I can see that must have been hard for you, and probably really crap for the male carers too.

I thought you were objecting to foreign men being employed in the care industry but I assume you don't have a problem with foreign women doing the job?

Out of interest - you don't have a problem with men working as nurses do you? Or nursery workers?

Haven't RTFT as there's over 800 replies but just came to say, I live in Dover, I'm poor as shit, and the boats wouldn't even enter my list of top 50 priorities!! The country is in an absolute state right now and imo, the boats are pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. My main issue with the boats is the loss of lives which is just awful.

Is your issue with men doing care work and nursing?

Care work. The ratios of males doing domiciliary care where I live is much higher than females. With a rapidly aging population, more female than male, women don't generally want men helping them to shower / personal care. Particularly when they often live alone and feel vulnerable in their own homes.

Or just foreign brown men doing care work and nursing?

Grow up.

Do you have the same issue with men working in nurseries?

Babies don't generally feel as strongly about it as older women do.

I think care work is skilled. My mum was a carer for many years and was brilliant at it. But it's not a job that requires large amounts of clinical training. Hence care agencies and care homes being happy to take on staff who are neither experienced not qualified, and offering to train them on the job.

They don't train them particularly well on the job. Often a case of taking on as my clients and staff as possible. The clients then being treated as part of a conveyer belt, with the job being done in minimal time, and not particularly well.

I didn't give a shit if someone's an alien from out of space when I did work as a care assistant as long as they helped. The current influx of 70 percent male refugees aren't going to solve the care crisis as the patients don't want men to provide their personal care. I think patients have the right to choose if they want men to shower them.

Nursing is a different job , they give out medications and do procedures most of the intimate care is provided by the care assistants.

And no it was not crap for the male carers they were quite happy they could sit down and mess around on their phone while getting paid. This was quite a few years ago now but I'm sure it's getting worse with the aging population.