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To tell healthy, fit looking, well dressed beggar to get a job?

208 replies

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:00

He is not a local beggar, all of whom I know, and he does not in any way look homeless. He looks to be about 30, healthy and fit, - much fitter than me! Well dressed and clean - much better dressed than me!

He is sitting outside the door to the local supermarket, and put his leg out in front of me as I tried to enter and asked for money.

Less than 6 feet to his left is the door of a cafe, with a sign on it saying "waiter required - apply within". I know those cafe owners, and I am sure that if he had gone in there and asked for a trial shift, rather than settling down outside the supermarket, they would have taken him on for the day to see how he did. They have needed a new waiter for months.

I have every sympathy with homeless and rough sleepers, and people down on their luck. I just think this is a scammer though. He has arrived in the area looking for somewhere to beg, and will probably be going home tonight. He isn't a local man, as I said.

OP posts:
Duckcurtains · 08/05/2023 16:13

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:11

How would that stop him washing up?

I thought the job was waiting tables? 😆

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:14

Flopsythebunny · 08/05/2023 16:13

Maybe he doesn't have an address or the documentation needed to get a job?

He wouldn't have needed it! I know those cafe owners, they would have given him a trial shift then and there.

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MrsDoylesDoily · 08/05/2023 16:14

Chandler12 · 08/05/2023 16:09

“I have worked in homeless shelters for decades”

you haven’t though have you

Of course not.

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:15

Duckcurtains · 08/05/2023 16:13

I thought the job was waiting tables? 😆

It is a waiter job in a small cafe, so waiting, washing up, mopping, whatever would have freed up other staff today would have been accepted.

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Duckcurtains · 08/05/2023 16:15

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:14

He wouldn't have needed it! I know those cafe owners, they would have given him a trial shift then and there.

Without checking his right to work docs? Ok.

MrsDoylesDoily · 08/05/2023 16:16

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:14

He wouldn't have needed it! I know those cafe owners, they would have given him a trial shift then and there.

Next you'll be telling us you know this because you used to be and actual cafe.

YouWonJayne · 08/05/2023 16:18

Are you Tory Boy?

Ponoka7 · 08/05/2023 16:18

OP go to your local X-ray/scanning department, you could save them a fortune with your super human diagnostic powers.

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:18

Duckcurtains · 08/05/2023 16:15

Without checking his right to work docs? Ok.

Not required for a trial shift!

He could have worked today

He could have a applied for a long term job on the back of the trial

I believe he was a professional criminal beggar, and as such damaging to the resources and and access for the genuinely needy.

I very much doubt he was homeless. He did even claim to be homeless. He was just sitting/ standing there trying to demand money.

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YouWonJayne · 08/05/2023 16:19

I am Lolling at the OP knowing all the local beggars, like there’s some sort of Beggar Register she’s in charge of

Flopsythebunny · 08/05/2023 16:19

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:14

He wouldn't have needed it! I know those cafe owners, they would have given him a trial shift then and there.

Of course he would. They would be breaking the law if they even gave him a trial shift without proof of right to work.
Have you hell as like ever worked with homeless people

greyhairnomore · 08/05/2023 16:19

What a vile post.
Judgemental , nasty.
Not sure if you know but you can't just walk into a job without checks these days.
Have you heard of hidden disability? Mental health issues?

Even if he was a 'professional beggar' ?
That's a job ace he's used his initiative 😂

ilovesooty · 08/05/2023 16:20

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 08/05/2023 16:05

Perhaps he could go and get himself a job. Perhaps there were reasons why that wasn't possible. You had absolutely no way of determining this simply from looking at him, and frankly, you should be ashamed of yourself for being so horribly ignorant and judgemental.

It is awful that homeless people have to deal with this kind of crap on top of actually being homeless.

I feel sorry for the people in homeless shelters with whom the OP apparently works

Duckcurtains · 08/05/2023 16:20

Flopsythebunny · 08/05/2023 16:19

Of course he would. They would be breaking the law if they even gave him a trial shift without proof of right to work.
Have you hell as like ever worked with homeless people

Surely these wonderful cafe owners wouldn't exploit someone in need by expecting an unpaid trial shift?

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:20

Begging does not equate to homeless.

Most beggars are not homeless

Many homeless are not beggars.

He was begging. I did not say he was homeless, and nor did he. He just said he wanted money.

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RaininSummer · 08/05/2023 16:20

If he is actually seeking work and doesn't have documents, the job centre will help with that and also even if homeless a person can get their universal credit entitlement payments so not penniless. Difficult to know if someone might have mental health issues but not so likely I would think if clean, well dressed and well spoken as its very tough to be on the streets and present like that. Sticking his leg out to obstruct is harassment.

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:20

Duckcurtains · 08/05/2023 16:20

Surely these wonderful cafe owners wouldn't exploit someone in need by expecting an unpaid trial shift?

No, they would have paid him for the trial

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Arewehumanorarewecupboards · 08/05/2023 16:21

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:10

There was a job available a few seconds away, and he was apparently more than capable of doing it. Perfectly physically able, no issues walking, using hands, sticking legs out to bar people's way! No speech difficulties. Clean and well dressed.

Can you not think of any other reason why he may not have applied for the job? Nothing?

Reasonableadjustments · 08/05/2023 16:21

I hope you don't work on the homeless sector any more.

YouWonJayne · 08/05/2023 16:21

Kfjsjdbd · 08/05/2023 16:01

I once volunteered for Crisis at Christmas. People who sleep rough generally don’t look any different to you or me. I couldn’t distinguish between the volunteers and the visitors.

I agree with this. So many agencies support homeless people with clothes, phones, somewhere on a nighttime to shower and sleep etc. It’s not like the beggars of the 80’s where they had lived outside with no food or showers for months, years even

YouWonJayne · 08/05/2023 16:23

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:07

He only had to walk 6 feet to the left! There was an immediate job available right there.

I’m surprised you worked in a homeless shelter. As you’d know that not having a fixed address is a fucking nightmare when it comes to getting a job

duvetcovereddissident · 08/05/2023 16:23

Arewehumanorarewecupboards · 08/05/2023 16:21

Can you not think of any other reason why he may not have applied for the job? Nothing?

yes, I think the reason is that is is a professional beggar.

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Arewehumanorarewecupboards · 08/05/2023 16:24

You started by saying that he asked for money but now that you have restricted your blood flow from clutching your pearls so tightly you have decided that he was demanding money. Which was it?
Breathe.

YouWonJayne · 08/05/2023 16:25

MrsDoylesDoily · 08/05/2023 16:16

Next you'll be telling us you know this because you used to be and actual cafe.

🤣🤣🤣

ohfook · 08/05/2023 16:25

Do you genuinely believe a person who was physically/mentally able to hold down a job, would decide that they didn't really fancy that but would rather sit in a doorway and beg for money?