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Tories lose over 1000 seats in local elections

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noblegiraffe · 05/05/2023 19:24

Which was their damage limitation number so when they lost 800 they could say 'we've not done as badly as we feared'.

AIBU to be cracking open the champagne while they try to figure out how the hell they can put a positive spin on this?

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jgw1 · 06/05/2023 06:39

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I have voted for a number of parties my whole life, stayed home this time as well.

There not being an election here, may have been a factor in that.

jgw1 · 06/05/2023 06:40

Bimbom · 05/05/2023 23:20

Jesus, you must be on an enormous salary if tax was 100K+. Like 300K? Why on earth wouldn't you want to contribute earning that amount, you can bloody afford it

Welcome to Tory Britain where the rich don't think they should contribute because they are rich and above that sort of thing.

jgw1 · 06/05/2023 06:43

Emotionalstorm · 06/05/2023 05:34

I think the conservative government will win the next general election. Local elections have little bearing on general elections. It's just a protest vote and people will be back because deep down people know that the conservative government are the party of financial prudence and competence.

The satire is strong in your post. Well played.

jgw1 · 06/05/2023 06:45

ThankmelaterOkay · 06/05/2023 06:30

How’s the last 13 years been, in that respect?

Absolutely fantastic.

There has been quite a number of Tory MPs, led by the appropriately named Pincher who have been leading by example in this regard.

TheHandmaiden · 06/05/2023 07:23

It was excellent! Undercut all the claptrap about how mean the attack ads were and all the rubbish on here about "doesn't know what a woman is" as being meaningful in UK politics.

Looks like just the opposite actually. Sunak has it all to do, with a party that is barely loyal to him. I reckon implosion is imminent. Beneath the technocratic veneer, he's desperately out of touch. The man isn't even being briefed correctly by his staff.

Florenz · 06/05/2023 07:38

I think the main problem Labour have is that Starmer doesn't seem like a PM. He doesn't have the charisma. He comes across as someone that should be the man behind the man, like Brown was to Blair. But there isn't really anyone better than him to have as leader. So there's no solution. I expect they will still win anyway but it'll be narrower than people expect. Now that Sturgeon is gone (and discredited) they'll win back some seats in Scotland, and now that Boris is gone they'll win back some seats in the Red Wall, but not all of them.

RampantIvy · 06/05/2023 07:41

Results where I live:

The political make up of the council is now:

  • Labour Party: 48
  • Liberal Democrats: 10
  • The Conservative Party: 2
  • Independent: 2
  • Reform UK: 1
phlebasconsidered · 06/05/2023 07:42

It's still blue where I am. The idiots here would vote for a donkey if it wore a blue rosette.

I actively hate most of the population here.

jgw1 · 06/05/2023 07:45

Florenz · 06/05/2023 07:38

I think the main problem Labour have is that Starmer doesn't seem like a PM. He doesn't have the charisma. He comes across as someone that should be the man behind the man, like Brown was to Blair. But there isn't really anyone better than him to have as leader. So there's no solution. I expect they will still win anyway but it'll be narrower than people expect. Now that Sturgeon is gone (and discredited) they'll win back some seats in Scotland, and now that Boris is gone they'll win back some seats in the Red Wall, but not all of them.

Did Johnson and Truss and indeed Sunak seem like good choices for PM to you?

The mind boggles.

hettie · 06/05/2023 07:46

Well the public has voted for charisma before. Once wth Boris and once wth Blair. Blair got so found of his own spin he took us into a war wth a right wing war mongering US cabal and caused untold damage to millions and Borris ... Week where do you even start...
Bugger charisma I want competence

TheHandmaiden · 06/05/2023 07:50

Yes I think they do want competence. They don't want a government that appears to casting around for enemies each week.

The major problem the Tory party have is that Johnson drove out competent people and gave the reins to a bunch of no marks, Raab, Braverman, Patel etc. I mean they are really crap people who in any other field would never have been given responsibility.

I wouldn't let any of them look after my cat for a week. That's how bad they are.

RafaistheKingofClay · 06/05/2023 07:51

Thinking charismatic over competence is what’s needed in a PM is how the country has got into a huge mess. It’s a daft way to choose a leader of government.

electriclight · 06/05/2023 07:58

Change from Tory to Lib Dem here, and I couldn't be more pleased.

I have voted Tory in the past, and try to vote on policy rather than tribalism. But I teach and am incensed by their treatment of schools during the pandemic and teachers now, so will never vote for them again.

jgw1 · 06/05/2023 08:03

RafaistheKingofClay · 06/05/2023 07:51

Thinking charismatic over competence is what’s needed in a PM is how the country has got into a huge mess. It’s a daft way to choose a leader of government.

We have a hugely charismatic new king who is getting a hat fitted today, so I am sure we can cope with a dull PM for a while.

After all there will be enough entertainment to have watching the rats in a sack Tories choose a new leader.

Postapocalypticcowgirl · 06/05/2023 08:06

The idea that the Tories are economically competent is nonsense. Their policy of austerity has led to very limited growth and a lot of people getting poorer in real terms. Liz Truss made some major mistakes last autumn and we are still feeling the impact of that with high inflation and interest rates. That was solely due to her policies, whereas the financial crisis in 2008 was global, not solely down to Labour.

The Tories are the party of wealth creation and protection for a very small and select group, and I can't understand why anyone outside of that group would vote for them.

Long term, the way they are trashing education will also be terrible for the economy.

Emotionalstorm · 06/05/2023 08:06

Florenz · 06/05/2023 07:38

I think the main problem Labour have is that Starmer doesn't seem like a PM. He doesn't have the charisma. He comes across as someone that should be the man behind the man, like Brown was to Blair. But there isn't really anyone better than him to have as leader. So there's no solution. I expect they will still win anyway but it'll be narrower than people expect. Now that Sturgeon is gone (and discredited) they'll win back some seats in Scotland, and now that Boris is gone they'll win back some seats in the Red Wall, but not all of them.

There's no way Starmer can beat Rishi. Rishi looks more like what I expect a PM to look and he's been more successful than Starmer in his personal life. It's sad that the British people can't see that our current government is still the better choice.

mumda · 06/05/2023 08:09

I don't remember seeing sir starmer on TV over the last six weeks..which explains perhaps why labour have done so well.
But they have not done as well as perhaps they expected. Votes have gone to independent green and even lib Dems.
In Oldham they have lost the third council leader in a row.

For the general election they have to produce policy and stand up to a bit more scrutiny.

I wonder how the green party will fare being on charge of a council.

Notanothernewname · 06/05/2023 08:11

I voted Labour as they both live near me so they have the same concerns and know my concerns and I see them all the time. On a local level that is my concern. They will fight tooth and nail not to have houses built on the meadow near me as they wouldn't want them there.I'm also fed up with the Tories 'forgetting' that there is a group in society that exist, they don't earn masses of money and they can't claim benefits but we are struggling(its the same every Budget). The £67 on my energy bill did bugger all. When something that was a pound is now two pound(it was cottage cheese ffs) and I still have to find an extra £100 for my energy, on top of a rise in every other bill I literally have enough money to buy food and petrol ( I need my car for work)this month.

Emotionalstorm · 06/05/2023 08:16

electriclight · 06/05/2023 07:58

Change from Tory to Lib Dem here, and I couldn't be more pleased.

I have voted Tory in the past, and try to vote on policy rather than tribalism. But I teach and am incensed by their treatment of schools during the pandemic and teachers now, so will never vote for them again.

If you think labour won't be much worse for teachers then I have a bridge to sell you. Teachers are a small group in society so as long as they have this small failing you will ignore the rest of their policies even if they're sound ?

TheHandmaiden · 06/05/2023 08:19

Good gravy you can't berate people for changing how they vote. That's like the old saying about electing a better people - and when you've got to that stage you are firmly isolated from others.

BitOutOfPractice · 06/05/2023 08:23

on 5live the interviewer asked the Tory minister they’d brought in just how short the straw was he’d picked to get the job of trying to spin this Tory disaster on the radio. Even the Tory had to laugh.

I can’t smile wide enough seeing that 1000 councillors lost figure.

pity it’s been usurped in the news by the bloody coronation 🙄

Bunnycat101 · 06/05/2023 08:24

The comms is ridiculous and shows how the modus operandi is to try and lie their way out of sticky situations. The Home Counties have turned yellow- that will be absolutely worrying some of the big hitters in supposedly safe seats. Our local mp’s local council went Lib Dem. She was on twitter saying how well the elections went which is completely unfathomable as all the signs are she may well lose her seat. I’d have much more respect for them if they said ‘public obviously a bit pissed off with us, we’re going to listen to why that is and work at fixing it’ instead of going on social media or tv to say how it’s all fine. Whatever your political persuasion you can see it is not fine for the conservatives.

MerryMarigold · 06/05/2023 08:25

I didn't even vote. My seat is so incredibly safe that my vote is utterly worthless even with local elections and the roads covered in potholes. It's depressing.

RampantIvy · 06/05/2023 08:25

It's sad that the British people can't see that our current government is still the better choice.

Seriously?

The Tories are the party of wealth creation and protection for a very small and select group, and I can't understand why anyone outside of that group would vote for them

Are you a member of this ^^ group?

BitOutOfPractice · 06/05/2023 08:26

@Emotionalstorm what do you mean by “more successful in his personal life”? I literally have no clue what that means? He’s made more money do you mean?

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