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Am I being abused by husband or AIBU?

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muminlondon90 · 05/05/2023 02:19

I’ve started to think I am actually losing my mind with a few things that have happened in my relationship.

I decided to call my GP and I told her the truth about my situation with DH.

Prior to my calling the GP, DH suggested I might need mood stabilisers but “don’t tell the GP I said that” Is that right?!

Our GP unequivocally suggested I speak to a domestic abuse helpline. I spoke to the helpline for 2 hours and they suggested I was the victim of emotional and financial abuse.

Im in shock. Is this actually the case, surely it is not and I have contributed to this as I have also acted terribly at times.

Background - I mostly gave up my own work after DD so DH could maximise his earnings as a self employed Locum hospital doctor. I help with his business, manage the home and am available 100% of the time for childcare. I can’t plan any aspects of our lives as within 24 hours notice he might have to go and do a shift.

He paid me a “wage” of £400 a month, where my personal direct debits came from (car, phone, insurances etc) leaving me around £250) There was a separate joint account where he put £500 a month went into for food shops etc, but the main account where the money came into, was only accessible by him. Every month I was asking for money - be it for house things, or other bits - despite me telling him how cringeworthy this was. He’d often forget to transfer it so I would be reminding him.

I expressed how powerless I felt, and especially because amidst all this he had a mild addiction to crypto trading, which I never wanted involvement in.

Two years down the line he announced we are facing financial ruin due to Crypto tax implications, then tells me he has taken a Xanax (unprescribed - he gets them from his home country) and falls asleep, leaving me awake all night in blind panic.

Turns out we aren’t in financial ruin due to a loop hole found by his Crypto accountant - but we could still face tens of thousands of pounds of debt should an investigation be made in the future.

He’s recently tried (by his own admission) manipulative tactics with me to put more money into cryptocurrency again. I stopped this but discovered another high risk investment that he did not disclose. All the while we have had this set up of him at the helm, there has been no financial plan or budget and we’ve been haemorrhaging money.

He is charming and a good guy who people like, but he can’t express anger, and instead can be passive aggressive, moody and dismissive or gives me the silent treatment instead of discussing as adults.

Last weekend he was in one of his moods after a bad week at work and at the weekend DD was playing up. He threw her favourite teddy across the room. She was distraught. When I asked him he said “she tried to push me down the stairs” (she’s 4!) He did the same thing the next day with lobbing her dolly when she accidentally hit him with it. Then walked off leaving me on the top of a hill with a distressed child and no idea where he was.

He can be cold, cruel and withholding. When he’s like this I have often escalated to the point where I think I am going to lose my temper, and then end up doing so. I’ve yelled and even called him names (to my utter shame!) On two occasions he started recording me against my wishes and things got worse.

When I discovered the hidden investment, he gaslit me and spoke to me like we hadn’t made any promises previously.

We spoke to a therapist who told him it was a form of financial abuse. One week after he said we’d finally get joint access, the bank never called him back. I was so distraught I STILL didn’t have access, I demanded he gave my the logins and info for the account. I wanted to, on advice from a financial advisor, transfer our emergency fund into my name. I threatened to call his sister, he still wouldn’t. I said I’d call the police (not believing myself) but when he didn’t I dialled them, and hung up - but they still have to come out. He did eventually give me access the following week.

I am ramping up my freelance business and know I need to be financially free from this man. Right now I have a few £1000 to my name, that’s all. At 39.

We were trying for a baby at the start of this year. Even though this was caused by him, he has said no to trying. He also kept me guessing about getting married too despite being engaged.

I know I’m stupid and I should have insisted on having access to the finances and shouldn’t have made myself so vulnerable. But is this my fault? I also have shouted and I called the police on him, is this on me? How do I move forward?

OP posts:
FictionalCharacter · 05/05/2023 02:35

I haven’t voted because it isn’t clear which way round the voting is. But you have written a long, horrifying account of abuse by a cruel and nasty man, yet in the middle of it you call him a good guy and now you’re shocked that you’ve been told he’s an abuser.
You move forward by getting yourself and your child far away from him. I hope that people who can advise you how to do that will be along soon.

UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 05/05/2023 02:37

Definitely abusive. And if not abusive, then at least horrifyingly dysfunctional. I would say you both need therapy, separately and together, if this relationship has the faintest chance of succeeding. But it sounds pretty toxic, and like a suboptimal environment for your DD.

TheShellBeach · 05/05/2023 03:03

OP You've posted about this many times.
Yes, you're in an abusive relationship.
No, this is not your fault.

Can you seek help from Women's Aid to get free of him?
Try to think what you'd say to your daughter if she were in your situation.
You'd encourage her to leave. And that's what you need to do.

I'm so sorry things are like this for you. You've had years of abuse. I'd time to stop blaming yourself and get free of this awful man.

You should read Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft.

TheShellBeach · 05/05/2023 03:06

And no couples therapy. It's never recommended when there is abuse.
In any case, you should just be leaving him, not seeking counselling so that you can stay together.

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 05/05/2023 06:50

I remember your many other threads. He has a friend right who tells him to keep his gambles (they’re not investments, he doesn’t know the first thing about financial investment) secret from you, right?

You have got to leave. It’s a complete and utter hideous mess. And he is poison.

SchoolQuestionnaire · 05/05/2023 07:33

Our GP unequivocally suggested I speak to a domestic abuse helpline. I spoke to the helpline for 2 hours and they suggested I was the victim of emotional and financial abuse.

This is the only relevant thing. Your GP and abuse specialists have told you what is happening. You don’t need further confirmation from a load of randoms on the internet. He’s an abuser, it’s not your fault but you need to get yourself and your dd away now.

0ddSock · 05/05/2023 08:51

Have you posted about this many times? And you also agreed to take some of these financial gambles which you now regret?

AndIKnewYouMeantIt · 05/05/2023 08:54

You've posted before and been told he is abusive. Why is this not sinking in?

Everything else aside, you can't stay with a man who lobs your DD's stuff across the room in anger.

AnnaZofia · 05/05/2023 09:01

Run. Run now and don't look back. He'll never change. Think of the example it sets your daughter. Do you want her to end up with someone like this because she thinks it's normal and acceptable?

jannier · 05/05/2023 09:08

100% coercive control ring that advice line and get out of the relationship. At least if he is really in debt it will have nothing to do with you.

jannier · 05/05/2023 09:11

By the way having a few thousand in your account is brilliant and far more than many women breaking free have....they do it they make it work and make good lives stop making barriers....your daughter is also being abused by seeing this staying is allowing that abuse.

Undertherock · 05/05/2023 09:17

There are some very unhelpful ideas and narratives about abuse that can make it very difficult to recognise it when you’re on the inside.

One is the idea of being a victim - many women don’t see themselves as weak, but as strong women with men who are vulnerable/struggling/ troubled.

Another is the terribly insidious idea of the perfect victim - that it can only be abuse if you never talk back, fight back. As if it can only be one way.

And we also tend to believe that we have more control - lots of “I wouldn’t stand for that”

In reality abuse, our reactions and the affects on our identity constructs are incredibly nuanced and subtlety complex.

Another unhelpful trope is that abuse is calculated and deliberate. If it were always, it would be easier to identify.

It might be easier for you to take your thoughts away from abuse entirely and just consider for a moment the practical effects of his gambling problems. By staying with him, you are getting sucked into debt and poverty. He is not capable of managing money, or trustworthy. Even if he were the nicest, loveliest human being on the planet, you cannot be financially linked to a gambler. It’s one of those hard lines that cannot be crossed.

One of the duties of a parent is to provide for children. Living with a gambler is like rowing a boat out to sea while your partner punches holes in the hull. You cannot out-row the problem.

Nimbostratus100 · 05/05/2023 09:19

just be clear

cryptocurrency is NEVER an "investment"

It is a form of gambling

Gambling is addictive

FartSock5000 · 05/05/2023 09:21

@muminlondon90 I remember your other threads too.

Internet strangers who are unbiased are telling you that you are abused.

Your GP is telling you the same.

What more will it take for your to really hear the truth?

You need to get away from this man before you get dragged down with him. There is no happy ending here. He WILL end up broke or under criminal investigation.

Free yourself.

LiliLil · 05/05/2023 09:21

I was only thinking last night that I hadn’t seen a thread from you in a while.

Will you still be posting the same story a year from now, or will you actually leave this time?

Theunamedcat · 05/05/2023 09:24

Your not married? Leave

They are not joint investments they are HIS investments he takes the fall not you

Wishitsnows · 05/05/2023 09:27

Yes he is abusive. You really should leave. Btw the 400 he gives you is a tax advantage for him.

HerMammy · 05/05/2023 09:32

How many more posts do you have to make to keep being told you're with an arsehole and to leave ??
Stop trying to figure him out and just leave, cannot understand the 'shock' when you've been told on every post you've had to leave him.

EnjoythemoneyJane · 05/05/2023 09:50

@Undertherock , that’s one of the clearest and wisest descriptions of abuse I’ve ever read, and perfectly sums up my own experience (and that of several other women I know).

None of our situations fit the cliched profile of abusive relationships. None of us perceive ourselves as weak or incapable (quite the opposite, in fact), and none of the men involved would ever see themselves as abusers, and certainly not intentionally so.

Once the scales fall away and you suddenly realise that you are in a dysfunctional, abusive marriage, the paradigm shift can be really shocking and destabilising, and cause you to question your interpretation. But it’s only when you understand and accept this that you can move forward and deal with it.

OP, you’re still in that state of shock/disbelief by the sound of it. Give yourself some time to process, but don’t retreat into denial. You are being told by everyone you ask that you are in an abusive marriage. You have to step up and confront it for your daughter’s sake and your own.

Sissynova · 05/05/2023 09:50

Are you not the OP who agreed to 99% of the crypto ‘investments’? And he only actually invested like 1k in secret?
You had like 10k of your own money which you chose to put in and are now trying to put the blame solely on him.

muminlondon90 · 05/05/2023 16:52

EnjoythemoneyJane · 05/05/2023 09:50

@Undertherock , that’s one of the clearest and wisest descriptions of abuse I’ve ever read, and perfectly sums up my own experience (and that of several other women I know).

None of our situations fit the cliched profile of abusive relationships. None of us perceive ourselves as weak or incapable (quite the opposite, in fact), and none of the men involved would ever see themselves as abusers, and certainly not intentionally so.

Once the scales fall away and you suddenly realise that you are in a dysfunctional, abusive marriage, the paradigm shift can be really shocking and destabilising, and cause you to question your interpretation. But it’s only when you understand and accept this that you can move forward and deal with it.

OP, you’re still in that state of shock/disbelief by the sound of it. Give yourself some time to process, but don’t retreat into denial. You are being told by everyone you ask that you are in an abusive marriage. You have to step up and confront it for your daughter’s sake and your own.

What compounded this was our make much older therapist who actually asked me “does he beat you?” In reaction to my saying this was enough and I wanted to leave.

we spent a small fortune with this therapist and most times my concerns were invalidated. I feel double betrayal and hurt as I trusted this therapist too.

DH actually joked to a stranger about choking me. I mentioned it to the therapist - he said I was “sensitive to these kind of things” I have the email that I sent to the therapist telling him I was not happy with it being insinuated that I am sensitive to threats of physical abuse.

I think with a more abuse educated therapist I would have seen all this sooner.

OP posts:
GabriellaMontez · 05/05/2023 16:58

You call him your husband ? But then it looks like you're nit married. Which is it?

Either way. He's a cunt.

AgnesX · 05/05/2023 17:08

You've written about him before I think?

It's obvious that you need to cut your losses with this man. He's abusive to you and unforgivably to your child.

I'm really not sure why you're hanging in there hoping he'll change (because it's very unlikely).

Nanny0gg · 05/05/2023 17:26

@muminlondon90 Why haven't you taken the loads of advice you've been given before?

Yes he's abusive. You know this.

What do you want from this thread?

ShowUs · 05/05/2023 17:30

It doesn’t matter if he’s abusive or not.

You are not happy so you should leave.

Why are you wasting money on seeing a therapist when nothing they can say will change how you feel.

What outcome do you want from posting on here?