To think I can’t be bothered to fight for a £25K a year job?

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My manager lied and said I’d nothing all year (if that was the case he never told that to me, sent warnings and rightfully I would have been sacked but I never even had an informal/formal meetings). The head of department has a very bad view of me having only heard my manager lie to save his poor actions of not training me.

I did work, but it’s a struggle when you’re self trained in a role you’ve never done before. My manager never checked my work, never asked me what projects I was doing etc.

I have now been told I need to show I’m worth employing, I need to put in extra work, go above and beyond and I might be lucky enough to be rated as average. Literally. Like they want to me to fight for something that I’m being paid for £12K below the average of that job.

Spidey senses indicate the op won’t be back!

It's not that hard to work out it's meant to say "My manager lied and said I’d DONE nothing all year", especially if you read the rest of the post.

No wonder when several of you have been so blatantly rude to her when it is perfectly obvious what she was saying.

I'd DID nothing all year 😜

OP if both immediate and senior manager have a poor view of you (rightly or wrongly), I think you'd be wise to look for something else.

You've missed out the most important thing in your OP, which is how long you've been working there. If less than 2 years, you don't have any rights but if they really wanted you out they could already have done it, so the below assumes you have more than 2 years employment there and therefore full employment rights. If less than 2 years, you could still consider whether their potential dismissal of you feels as if it is discrimination on any protected grounds, but you will just have to argue for the best reference you can get if they decide to sack you.

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It sounds as if they want to get rid of you, so you could ask for an off the record meeting and say that if they feel the job has not worked out, you will save them the trouble of going through a lengthy disciplinary* by resigning, AS LONG AS they agree a fairly positive reference with you. Write your own reference in advance of the meeting - something like 'always willing to learn new things, honest reliable etc etc' - if you like, you can include some honest stuff like 'when we appointed her we did not realise how little training was available for this post, and it is for this reason it hasn't worked out'.

*Do point out to them that the lack of training and support is what's caused the problem, and were they to go down the disciplinary route they would have to demonstrate that they had tried to address any perceived underperformance with proper training.

God you people are mean.

So you’ve complained about lack of training?

Manager who should have trained you has gone to their boss to arse cover themselves saying your just shit and do fuck all.

Big manager believes incompetent manager.

yes? I’d just find another job tbh. But if you want to stick it out file a request for all information held about you. This would prove you’d never been pulled into meetings nor had training arranged.

Can you meet with the head of department and explain your lack of training despite assurances that you would be trained, plus the lack of any feedback about your performance? Perhaps they can see that training takes place.

Really? I understood it perfectly well.

"My manager lied and said I'd done nothing all year" presumably - something like that. Use your imagination to fill the gap with whatever you like though.

Yeah what's with all these people picking holes over tiny things

I understand what you mean, OP, and would probably consider something along the lines that weird oboe lady is suggesting.

So many people on Mumsnet have poor comprehension… or maybe they just want to score points.

To be honest I wouldn't fight for a 25 grand job a year either. It's a pretty basic wage. Lots of jobs around. Find something else.

I believe this. In my last job ( there three years) I only had two one to ones that I practically forced my line manager to do.

in another previous job my manager was getting shit from his for a project of his that was going nowhere. He then turned around to me in a one to one and angrily blamed me, saying he told me to do the project management for that project six months ago. Weirdly none of the notes from my one to ones in those six months made any mention of him asking me to do this or asking how I was getting on with it…,

Some people are arseholes and shift blame elsewhere when their managers are asking them about poor performance that they are ultimately responsible for. Sounds to me that this may be what has happened to OP.

Minimum wage is circa £22k full-time.

Better off negotiating a not-bad reference in exchange for a trouble-free exit and handover, than destroying yourself attempting to climb out of the pit your manager has dug while he continues digging it deeper.

Start job hunting. You can find a better job.

If you haven't been there two years then you don't have an automatic right to expect those things. And you don't sound as if you want the job.

This is a mean response. There's no need to be rude.

OP, it depends how easy it would be for you to find another job. If you think you could walk into a better paid job then no, I suppose this one isn't worth fighting for.

She doesn’t have a right to a proper induction?

How about you write using sentences and paragraphs the actual problem

Like this sentence? Most of us have managed to understand what you're saying as well as what the OP is saying.

OP I'd check with ACAS to see what the process is here.

£25k a year is a good salary but there are other jobs available for that salary.

I personally wouldn’t mind earning less if it meant having good MH and it sounds like this job is awful.

Find something else even if it’s minimum wage and then look for something with a higher salary.

Sigh. I’d done. Short for I HAD done.

This is tiresome.

If you're going to criticise other people's writing, it's best to check your own.

What does, "How about you write using sentences and paragraphs the actual problem," mean, and where has the punctuation gone?

I might be wrong but I'm getting from this that you haven't been trained properly in order to do your job, but that you've quite happily been doing the bare minimum with the excuse that you haven't been trained?

That aside, if your manager has never raised any issues with you formally until now, then I'd have thought they need to give you a chance to pull your socks up? Which it sounds like they are doing. Maybe ask for the training in writing so they can see you're willing to learn. If you're underpaid, let them train you up and then go and find a better job!

If this is an attempt at grammar correction, you're wrong. 'I had done', not 'I had did'...