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To think my DD 6 is old enough to try a sip of wine???

135 replies

Cinderffingrella · 16/02/2008 23:05

My MIL it utterly outraged...but my parents let me have it VERY watered down from a similar age, and I'm not even going that far. Incidentally, I barely drink....

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ShortBlack · 17/02/2008 17:52

AitchTwoOh, that was your personal experience, but I don't think one can generalise that.

Wisteria · 17/02/2008 17:53

yanbu

AbbeyA · 17/02/2008 18:43

I am talking about a sip which means about quarter of a teaspoonful-and only if they ask for a taste-I assume this is what OP meant.

AitchTwoOh · 17/02/2008 19:26

shortblack, of course i can generalise that, just as you generalised that it was pure speculation. psychologically, there is a lot to be said for not demonising drink etc.

personally i think that the european model of drinking, that is not doing if to get drunk, but as an accompaniment to food, socialising etc is pretty well established as healthier, and it's what influenced me growing up (in a pretty hard-drinking part of the country) because it was what my folks did.

so it's not pure speculation on my part, it's based on observing people around me for a lifetime, the way that they have responded to alcohol. i have met a few people in my time and i do feel that there is a benefit to not making a big rebellion out of booze (and drugs, as it happens). that's pretty basic psychology, i think.

Sycamoretree · 17/02/2008 19:58

Clever Zippibabes. V. interesting thread in the end though, so proves Hunker wrong - sometimes it's worth posting on AIBU....

deste · 17/02/2008 20:43

My opinion, and it is only that, is that there is a time and a place for everything and I would never give it to a 6 year old. Why would you want to, what are you thinking.

motherinferior · 17/02/2008 20:49

Mine get the occasional drop - literally a drop; DD1's grandmother gave her a drop of champagne off her finger at her first birthday, and I wasn't particularly scandalised.

I think broadly that 'normalising' moderate drinking, in a culture of booze abuse, is quite a good idea.

Sadly, I think pretty well all our kids will get repulsively trolleyed at some point in their teens, frankly.

Karen999 · 17/02/2008 20:50

My dd has champagne/wine at special occasions...only a tiny amount....sensible really to make out that its no 'big deal' to try alcohol......makes her feel part of whats going on.....dont see a problem with it tbh. My dd is 8 but has been doing this since she was 5.

Troutpout · 17/02/2008 20:52

mmmmmm... my bil and sil have let my niece have a glass of wine with food since she was 3 believing that it would just seem an everyday thing and that they would be taking the mystery out of it.We were ofton told that she would be introduced to drink 'just like children are on the continent'
Result is she is now 14 and is blardy obsessed with booze. Has been all along. She shows off endlessly about it...brags about stealing booze from her friends parents cupboards...being drunk etc etc. I sense that they wished they had put a halt to it a few years back but felt like they couldn't because they had made such a big thing of it.
I think it may have not been so bad had they just done it without comment...but instead they had to make a big statement to all present about what they were doing and what they 'believed' ..so i think she realised that booze got her attention

Errm no yanbu...but it's your choice.. and i wouldn't do it

deste · 17/02/2008 20:52

My friends did that with their sons. One of them now has an alcohol problem.

LyraSilvertongue · 17/02/2008 20:55

Troutpout, a whole glass of wine from age 3?
That's a bit different from a tiny taste.
And also, the point is that by giving a tiny taste, the parents are showing that there's no big deal about alcohol. Your relatives got that a bit wrong...

Karen999 · 17/02/2008 20:59

Exactly Lyra....only a tiny amount...no big deal.

geordiemacminx · 17/02/2008 21:04

Sorry for the Hijack karen999

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mumeeee · 17/02/2008 21:04

I think 6 is to young to be given tastes of wine. Our DDS have been allowed sips of wine from 10.

TheHonEnid · 17/02/2008 21:06

i think its stupid

much guff talked about the 'continent' no doubt

whats wrong with saying 'no'?

TheHonEnid · 17/02/2008 21:08

sorry but the idea that we should let our kids drink alcohol otherwise they will become binge drinking madmen is part of the fear of food culture we live in

alcohol is a DRUG

why on earht would you want your 6 year old to taste it?

Karen999 · 17/02/2008 21:12

Geordie - have replied on other thread!!

TheHonEnid · 17/02/2008 21:23

I have to say looking back on it I never found alcohol exotic or exciting

it was what you did (martini on park benches) because your mates did

nothing to do with parents drinking or not

ZippiBabes · 17/02/2008 21:25

i found alcohol gave you confidence and i liked that

ShortBlack · 17/02/2008 22:42

I went to a research talk at a conference a couple of years ago about strategies for tackling underage drinking. The study compared "zero tolerance" with "all in moderation" approaches, and much to their surprise the zero tolerance approaches were more successful at reducing levels of underage drinking. Not saying this is directly relevant to 6-year-olds. Just that the common sense, "basic psychology" assumption turned out not to be correct. Which is why I'm skeptical of it. I'm also skeptical of personal observations because how can the person doing the observing be sure they have all the facts?

AitchTwoOh · 17/02/2008 23:13

but when did they start employing the zero tolerance/moderation approach, if they were talking about teens? had the research been done from when they were children, was it done in the home? i don't understand.

Cinderffingrella · 17/02/2008 23:44

Trolla la! I heart MN.

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ZippiBabes · 17/02/2008 23:45

hi cinderfferella

cory · 18/02/2008 09:27

In a way I'm sitting on the fence too, because I don't think the take on this particular problem is going to be that decisive for our children's future relationship to alcohol. I wouldn't feel remiss if I hadn't let ds have a sip, but I don't feel remiss because I did IYSWIM.

I do wonder though, why some poster assume that if you give your 7yo a sip of wine it's because you can't say no? I can say no perfectly happily and have no difficulty explaining why a second sip would do him harm where a first won't. I also explain that a first glass is fine for me, but that a second is more than my body can cope with. And that there is a safe limit for everybody, depending on age and health. Why would that be difficult to explain? He sees that Daddy and I respect our limits, so why shouldn't he?

Also, he knows if he has been given a sip once to find out what it tastes like, that doesn't mean he can have it every time. He's also tasted coffee and he's not allowed to drink that every day.

I do not believe letting him have his sip is a magic talisman that will keep him off the booze forever- but I don't think it's going to turn him into an alcoholic either. There are much more important aspects of my parenting that are more likely to decide his relationship to alcohol later on.

When teenagers go binge drinking, it's usually not about liking the taste of wine or beer. It is, as it always was, about not having the confidence to stand out from their mates. Being new to the taste is not much of a deterrent to a teenager- or how come so many people in my generation took up smoking? Besides, alcopops mean that disliking wine isn't going to be much of a barrier.

I was allowed liqueur chocolates when I was a child, and brandy butter with the Christmas pudding- that is probably a very similar alcohol intake to the few sips of wine he's had, but it hasn't turned me into a surreptitious brandy sipper.

As for the way people speak about the past, as if heavy drinking was something new- was I the only one whose teenage mates were legless every weekend? Was my dh's family the only one where the parents fell asleep over the bottle of whisky following the wine on a Sunday afternoon? Was there really no teenage binge drinking in the 1970's? Or are people perhaps wearing rosetinted spectacles?

I think the truth is that people were simply more lax about alcohol in the past. Not everybody, there have always been teetotal families, but society as a whole. The drinking of dh's family is not part of any statistics, becase nobody thought it was odd at the time. When I worked in this country in the 1980s, it was an accepted thing among my work mates to drink and drive, because it was unheard of that somebody would refrain from drinking just because they were driving. And these were respectable academics, without any social problems. (I might add that most young people I met at the time seemed to smoke pot.)

When my FIL got pneumonia a few decades earlier, his GP attempted to cure it with whisky (having first misdiagnosed it as broken ribs). He also swigged liberally himself- drinking on the job was considered acceptable for a GP at the time.

I think that our children will be growing up in a world that is very similar to ours in one respect: it is full of temptations and you need to exercise selfconfidence and judgment. We can give them the facts. We can provide models of responsible attitudes to drink (including not drinking at all). And we can ourselve be models of independence in the face of peer pressure. But the ultimate decision will be theirs.

chocfest · 18/02/2008 09:38

Ours are allowed a splash of wine in the bottom of the glass with a sunday roast if they choose.

Dont see it as a problem. Same as when I was growing up. There were 4 of us offered it like this and none of us has an alcohol problem.

Much like smoking. Our DD asked what was it like to smoke a cigarette and was given a puff at 11. She coughed and spluttered, thought it wasw vile, and has never touched one and is extremely anti-smoking now. She was curious, tried it, hated it, job done! Rather they tried it at that age than the illicit fags at 14 mainly by peer pressure. I would be extremely surprised if she took up smoking now.

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