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I think my friend assaulted me

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llllllllllllllllllllllllllll · 25/04/2023 03:22

Years ago my friend and I would have casual sex from time to time after we had been drinking. I was never really that into it but just chalked it up to me being inexperienced and figured it would get better as I got better. I usually felt incredibly embarrassed or ashamed the next day but I have an anxiety disorder so that was nothing new.

Then one time, back in 2018 I had the worst sexual encounter in my life so far. We were both drunk as usual but I explicitly told him to put on a condom. He said of course he would but didn't stop to go get one. I felt too uncomfortable to ask him again which I know now was stupid. We had sex and the whole time I was wishing it would be over but didn't want to say anything. He went off to the bathroom at one point and I was relieved but when he came back he wanted to keep going. Turns out he had thrown up and decided to tell me after he started making out with me again. He also was quite rough and bit my lip so hard it bled. I was fighting back tears.

Eventually, he was done and pretty much instantly fell asleep. He only had a single bed and I really did not want to share it with him. Crying, I made my way downstairs to leave because I wanted to go home but his door was locked, meaning I ended up sleeping on the floor of his room.

Often when we were drunk he either wouldn't be able to finish or he'd pull out to finish. This time it turns out he finished inside me and I had no idea. It wasn't until 4 months later that I discovered I was pregnant. Since I was barely 21 and was struggling enough with uni as it was I ended up getting a second trimester abortion which was a very traumatic and expensive experience for me.

At a party after everything was done I decided to tell him since only my mum knew at this point and he was still a close friend. He said it was hard for him because his aunt had a miscarriage before he was born or something which I thought was a bit insensitive but brushed it off.

For some reason I have stayed friends with him until now. Talking to him is easy and he's one of only 3 friends I feel comfortable hanging out with alone. He is also the reason I know most of my other friends.

But last night I learnt about something called stealthing and looked into it and the articles I found said that not using a condom after being asked to could be described as sexual assault as I only consented to protected sex. It has made me reevaluate the whole experience and I feel quite distraught. On one hand it feels validating to understand why I felt so awful and violated afterwards but on the other hand I feel like I can't possibly remain friends with someone who assaulted me.

TLDR: I think my friend of many years sexually assaulted me leaving me pregnant.

I really just want some advice. I feel like if a friend told me this I would tell them to ditch that guy asap. But I also don't want to hurt my friend because I'm sure he would think of it as a misunderstanding since he was drunk. I'm also worried all our friends would side with him because he has known them for far longer. I am just really confused about what I should do, if anything.

OP posts:
MariaRemindsMeOfAWestSideStory · 25/04/2023 08:58

differentnameforthis · 25/04/2023 06:37

When you don't feel comfortable to say no, or to re-iterate your boundaries, you aren't consenting.

if you aren't safe to say no, you can't say yes either.

Well no actually. It depends on the reasons.

Not saying no because you don’t want to look uncool or because you want to impress the guy is very different to not saying no because the guy is pressuring.

OP is responsible for her actions and not every bad sexual experience is assault.

Comtesse · 25/04/2023 09:02

He’s an arsehole. He does not have your best interests at heart. You poor thing Flowers

Comtesse · 25/04/2023 09:04

And there is some horrible minimising here - @drysherry do your friends regularly bite you til you bleed? “Not worth losing friends for” - come on, that is woeful.

DrySherry · 25/04/2023 09:11

Comtesse · 25/04/2023 09:04

And there is some horrible minimising here - @drysherry do your friends regularly bite you til you bleed? “Not worth losing friends for” - come on, that is woeful.

No that's never happened to me. But I never made a habit of having drunk casual sex with friends (thats not to say i never did that, just not habitually). I can see faults from both parties here - but to label it that she was assaulted seems a bit of a stretch. Could be unnecessarily damaging for both of them.

Scienceadvisory · 25/04/2023 09:31

Fraaahnces · 25/04/2023 06:17

Oh honey… nothing about any of these sexual experiences sound like he likes you or women in general. There is nothing gentle, loving, kind or respectful about it. Biting, hurting, locking you in, refusing condoms, etc. This is an angry, angry man. I’m sorry that this happened to you and that you are somehow still have such low self-esteem that you find him easy to talk to. I suspect this is more a manipulative behaviour of his rather than genuine care. Please seek counselling.

Looking his front door at night before going to bed is not 'locking her in'. It's standard behaviour for anyone who doesn't want to be robbed - do you leave your front door unlocked at night? If she had asked him for the key/to unlock it and he refused then he would have locked her in but that's not what she said happened.

The biting and roughness I would say are assault. He seems determined to hurt you OP which is not OK. In any other situation a person biting so hard you bleed would be considered assault so I don't see it being as ok just because you were having sex.

HyacinthBookay · 25/04/2023 11:53

MariaRemindsMeOfAWestSideStory · 25/04/2023 08:58

Well no actually. It depends on the reasons.

Not saying no because you don’t want to look uncool or because you want to impress the guy is very different to not saying no because the guy is pressuring.

OP is responsible for her actions and not every bad sexual experience is assault.

I don't know much about the law, but I suspect that what you say is true in regards to the strict letter of the law, but in terms of morality this "bad" sexual experience - biting someone's lip till it bleeds - is definitely assault. It would be hard to say no while someone was biting your lip. Difficult also because you'd be afraid of what else they were capable of.

Vodkaislethal · 25/04/2023 13:31

Fraaahnces · 25/04/2023 08:54

He bit her lip until she bled. She was assaulted.

Yes this is true, the biting her lip is assault. I,don’t think she’s asking about that though, but understand you wish to point out biting her lip is assault

TheEponymousGrub · 25/04/2023 15:40

I think the reason there's doubt about assault/consent, is because the actual sex was only a bit worse than everything else about this man, and you may have seemed okay with all of that. However, everything else about this man is horrible too. That's the important thing. He is NOT a friend, just a horrible person in your life.

A friend wouldn't keep doing something that left you feeling bad the next day! He isn't a friend if you aren't comfortable enough to insist on a condom. A friend wouldn't expose you to their vomit, bite your lip until it bled, pretend not to notice you crying, leave you to sleep on the floor, etc, etc.

You deserve better people in your life than this. He sucks.

fairycakes1234 · 25/04/2023 15:53

why are you still friends with him?

HyacinthBookay · 26/04/2023 06:39

Mortimercat · 25/04/2023 06:35

I would say not good, shouldn’t bite. But I wouldn’t accuse them of rape or sexual assault, this was very clearly consensual sex and OP was well aware of the condom situation. No it doesn’t sound respectful and she shouldn’t be friends with him, but I think it is a step too far to accuse him of rape or sexual assault and it doesn’t help anyone either.

Women have enough trouble getting recognition for assault without somebody deciding that a less than pleasant, regrettable encounter five years earlier must have been something more sinister than it was.

from my reading of OP she isn’t going to make a formal complaint against him. She is waking up to what happened to her and coming to terms with it. It is very important that she recognises that what happened between them was abusive so that she can recognise it in the future and assert herself accordingly now that she is finding her voice. Those on here saying it is not assault or abuse do not seem to I understand why OP has asked the question.

perhaps many of you are lucky enough never to have been in an abusive relationship. That much is clear on MN when people yell LTB because dh forgot to flush the toilet but when it comes to a more nuanced scenario haven’t got a clue.

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