For being annoyed I was asked to stand on a bus because of dog allergies?

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I went to visit a friend in London today and I took my dog. It's worth noting she is a mini poodle, and hypoallergenic, and well behaved. You can barely even tell she's there. I got on the bus as part of my journey. It was the middle of the day so there were a few empty seats (but not loads).

I got on and sat down, and the woman a few rows behind me said 'can you move , I have a dog allergy'. I apologised and moved a few rows forwards, the furthest forwards I could go and still get a seat.

She then shouted forwards 'not far enough, you're going have to stand at the front'.

I was confused, but did it. I spent the rest of the 35 minute journey standing right at the front of the bus while the woman was 3/4 of the way along, sitting.

I did what she said for the journey, but when I got off I felt annoyed and I'm not sure if I'm justified.

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No, not all of them are…

FFS unless you’re police/army etc a service dog would have no need to be in a warm hub. However, I’m sure they’d make provision for an assistance dog and put measures in place to keep you and your dog away from anyone with allergies.

Two adult women understand far better than a distress child with autism though. They needed to step back and realise they weren’t the priority in that situation. What sort of decent person would refuse to go faced with a screaming child in a meltdown ?

Obviously this has alerted me that it’s a situation that can happen now that I’ve related more places are dog friendly so I know going forwards to call ahead and check but I stand by the fact that I was in the right that day

For you maybe.

For me, my dog will always come above a random kid.

This thread really brings out the silliness we have around dogs these days. I love dogs, have had dogs myself (don't just now), but I'm REALLY getting hacked off with dog owners where I live and even some of my own lovely friends whose 'fur baby' 'rights' seem to override everything else and are often just plain rude. Just in the last week, can hardly get in the door of my local (very small!) pub as there are several large dogs lying around on the floor, owners oblivious to inconvenience for others trying to use the bar area, I go to a local cafe (I was there first, eating lunch with friends), others come in with a dog to next table, I then have their dog mooching around under my table, on my feet, sniffing and pestering me whilst I'm eating until I have to ask them to please pull their dog away, sports field near our house which has several huge 'no dogs' allowed signs yet every single day there are dog owners letting their dogs run all over it and shitting on the sports areas, friends ignoring my 'no dogs on the furniture' request (made several times), then I come into lounge to their 2 dogs on my sofa and find dog shit in the garden when they leave as they were not watching the dog, dog shit on our front garden, next doors dog barking all day, sometimes all night, basically whenever they are out (they are aware of this), .....the list goes on. I don't remember it being this bad before but some bizarre doggy entitlement has developed in our society in recent years which is a bit weird and often very selfish. They are not 'babies' they are animals. Loved and often lovely but everybody else's world does not revolve around your dog and your imagined 'rights' it has. We shouldn't have to encounter dogs and their excrement in every part of our lives unless we are choosing to by owning one.

This attitude is all that is wrong with this level of dog worship.

My house was cold, and my dog is elderly with no body fat (greyhound). We were both allowed and entitled to be in the warmspace. We were not the only dog/owner combos.
Again, allergies are not my responsibilty. I have a button phobia. I don't shreak at people to leave a cafe because they have a cardigan with buttons on.

I would refuse to go because it was the owner’s decision and he made it clear we were both welcome. If listening to your son scream and leaving him in an environment that scares him is your idea of ‘standing up for him’ that’s on you. I’d just try and enjoy my coffee.

not my circus, not my monkeys.

Not everyone understands autism. Not everyone cares about autism, that’s the bottom line, many people don’t care that’s why you need to change your mindset and take into account there’s a really big world out there that don’t give a fuck about your child. Only you do. However, it doesn’t give you or anyone else the right to tell someone how change how they run their business to accommodate your child.

I very in touch with that particular issue because I was the one at home cold, because I couldn't access a warm space due to my allergies.

Person 1 - needs to access a warm space.

Person 2 - needs to access a warm space.

Person 1 - has a dog through choice, takes it to warm space.

Person 2 - has allergies to dogs they didn't choose to have, so can't access warm space.

Person 1 is nice and warm with dog they chose to have. Person 2 is cold because of allergies they didn't choose to have. Person 1 says "tough, my choice trumps yours because the allergy you chose not to have isn't my responsibility so I can't do what I like."

I'd happily not access somewhere for a guide dog to be of assistance, that's worth being cold for. But sadly that's not usually the case, it's just usually the selfish instead.

She made you aware she has an allergy. Why wouldn't you do what you can to avoid her having an allergic reaction? An asthma attack can be fatal (and triggered by a dog if someone is allergic to them).

Perhaps she wasn't as polite as she should have been but I'm guessing she was stressed and tense given that something she has allergic reactions to was close to her.
Also, given some of the replies from PPs, I suspect she's used to people being confrontational.

She hasn't chosen to have allergies and she can't help it.

If it was your child with the dog allergy and a dog got on the bus, what would you have done?

Wouldn't it be easier to find a cafe who don't accept dogs. You probably do that but to expect an owner to turn away custom and I understand where you are coming from but not all dog friendly places will accommodate you.

Yes, autism is classed as a disability (I appreciate that not everyone with autism classes themselves as having a disability - which is their prerogative, of course)

"Reasonable adjustments" applies to places offering services to the public, such as shops, banks, cinemas and also things like scouts and guides.
But what is "reasonable" partly depends on the situation.
So, for example, having a ramp is commonly considered a reasonable adjustment for wheelchairs for a stately home but Nottingham Caves (which is literally underneath a shopping centre) are not accessible for wheelchairs due to their historic nature.
On the other hand, refusing to take a guide dog in a licenced taxi would be unreasonable and can result in the taxi-driver's licence being revoked.

Allergies (as per the OP) may or may not be a disability, depending on the severity. Hay fever is not considered a disability but a severe nut allergy, for example, could be.

Dogs are allowed On buses.
It was nice of you to move away initially but you didn’t have to.
The lady was rude expecting you to move further.
Its not up to you to move, she should move if she has a problem. She is in a space where dogs are allowed to be so it’s up to her to deal with the situation not you

I’d move further away on a bus if asked politely, but I wouldn’t stand for a journey for them.

I wouldn’t be happy if asked to leave a dog friendly cafe with my dogs because of someone’s child. In our village, the dog owners would boycott it if they did that and it would be out of business. Go to a cafe that doesn’t allow dogs.

I’m a parent of an autistic child with an allergy (not dogs). That’s for us to manage, no one else.

Your allergy is your problem.. just like my phobia is mine.

I presume you also aren't at risk of anaphylaxis shock with a risk of death from your fear of buttons.

I don’t think your button phobia would make your face swell up or you’d have in inhaler for it. 🙄. You come across as a very selfish person simply because you have a dog. As I said the warm hub could have ensured there was space for dogs/owner’s that allowed people with allergies to also attend.

So person visits dog friendly cafe with child who scared of them and expects people with dogs to leave.

No child does not trump the people with dogs.
Why do some parents think they always come first.

There are Lots of cafes around that don’t allow dogs, the sensible thing would be to use them and keep away from spaces that may become scare6 for your child.

Its simple common sense

That is your problem to manage.

You can overcome phobias with therapy at the like, you can't with allergies. You can die from allergies. Maybe learn some sympathy, or at least educate yourself on allergies and how life threatening they can be.

And you come across as selfish and entitled for an allergy that is your issue to manage.

You don't "manage " anaphylaxis 🙄

This was less about your dog and more about a certain type of trolling that I’ve seen happening in London in the last few years.

It’s happened to me and I’ve seen it happen to others on buses, tubes, post office, supermarket queues.

They know they can get away with it as we won’t speak up.