Page 9 | Something needs to be done about unleashed pitbulls/ XL bullys

TheyareEverywhere · 2023-04-23T08:03:35+00:00

We've just moved to a new area which seemed nice and a good place to raise the kids. After living here for just a week I've had two encounters with one of those big, bulky pitbull / XL bully type dogs off lead with the type of owner you'd expect to have them - young, unable to control them, the sort who use the dog as a penis extention to intimidate people and train the dogs to latch onto things at the park. DP got chatting to a man at the shop and apparently they belong to drug dealers from the other block down the road. Lovely. I'm scared of those dogs and won't pretend I'm not. I know what they can, and do, do to people / kids. My DD is equally as scared of them after having one growl and bark at her at the park. Surely something should be done about people like this, fines for having them off lead on public streets? I don't know. All I know is they're frightening and shit to live amongst 😔 AIB unreasonable?

Suzi888 · 23/04/2023 16:20

@AlwaysGinPlease it wasn’t me. I copied another post who made the comment. I would never poison any living creature.

ElmTree22 · 23/04/2023 16:22

Restforabit · 23/04/2023 13:42

So from 1980 onwards.

1980-1989. Alsatians (7 in one attack, how awful ) Jack Russell, Rottweilers (2 of them.)

1990-1999. Alsatian, Bull terrier of some description, another bull terrier, Rottweilers (3)

2000-2009. Doberman, SBT, American bulldog, Rottweilers (2), American pit bull terrier, Rottweiler, Rottweiler, SBT and a Jack Russell (one fatality ) Alsatians (2) Pit bull terrier.

2010-2019. American bulldog, Neapolitan mastiff, pit bull terrier, Bordeaux bulldogs (2) one American bulldog, one mongrel (one attack and fatality, not four) Jack Russell cross, Bullmastiffs (2) SBT (2), bull mastiff x presa canario, bulldog type, pit bull terrier (2), pit bull terrier, Alaskan Malamute, Alsatian/German shepherd (police dog), SBT, pit bull terrier, American bulldog, Lakeland terrier X, bull breed, SBT x pit bull, SBT x bull terrier, American bulldog, SBT, German shepherd, SBT, SBT (2), Bulldog X, unknown, American bulldog.

2020-present. SBT mastiff X, chow chow X german shepherd, SBT X, American bulldogs (2), American Bully XL, American Bully XL, British bulldogs (3), husky, American Bully XL, American Bully XL, American Bully XL, Rottweiler, Cane Corso, American Bully XL, American Bully XL, American bulldogs, American bully XL X cane corso, unknown breed (8, one attack) American bulldog.

So we have:

11 Alsatians/German shepherds
10 Rottweilers
2 Jack Russells and one X JR
9 SBTs and 4 SBTs X
9 American bulldogs
4 ‘bull breed’ and two bull breed X
7 pit bull terrier and 2 pit bull X
7 American Bully XL and one American Bully XL X
3 British bulldogs
2 Bordeaux bulldogs
1 Cane Corso and one cane corso X
1 Lakeland terrier X
1 Neapolitan mastiff
1 mastiff X
1 chow chow X
1 husky
1 mongrel
8 unknown breed (in one attack.)

So when you look at number of dogs rather than number of attacks, and group them this way:

Bull breeds (SBT, pit bull, American Bully, all bulldogs, all bull breeds) we have 48

Then Alsatians / German Shepherds account for 11. That’s slightly skewed as seven attacked one poor child in the early 80s and obviously pushed the total up considerably.

10 Rottweilers

2 mastiffs, although there’s one crossed in the bull breeds above.

Two Jack Russells and one JRT X

One Lakeland X with a bull breed.

I honestly don’t know why people keep saying ‘but any dog can be dangerous.’ I think what they mean is that any dog can BITE, which is obviously true. But look at that. That isn’t a skewed list from the last couple of years. In the last FORTY THREE years, in this country there have been NO fatalities involving retrievers or Labradors, or spaniels, or poodles, or greyhounds or even the much hated cockapoos. No mention of collies or Pomeranians or basset hounds or Chinese crested.

I know there are lovely examples of the above breeds. And I know some of the breeds thought of as being a ‘nice’ family pet aren’t always: I knew an awful retriever. But when we are talking about fatalities, about grown men killed and unable to fight back - yes, sorry, it is the breed

These statistics are almost certainly inaccurate as it was only a legal requirement to put the cause of death in the event of a dog attack as "death caused by dog" since 2009, prior to this if someone was attacked and later died of their injuries the cause of death on the death certificate was the injuries etc. So these numbers were probably highly influenced by media coverage at the time, rather than data from death certificates. And just like now each of those breeds have been under public scrutiny at one time or another so would've been the topic of media attention at the time.

ElmTree22 · 23/04/2023 16:26

stbrandonsboat · 23/04/2023 13:25

Pet dogs should be restricted to certain sizes and types. Nobody actually needs one of these powerful breeds 🙄 let the meatheads walk toy poodles/bedlingtons/ckcspaniels instead if they want a dog so much. I like cats, but I wouldn't expect to keep a mountain lion.

This is a ridiculous comment. Why should we ban all large or powerful dog breeds? Because some people are scared of them? A lot of people are scared of horses, in fact horses are the cause of many injuries and fatalities but I don't hear anyone wanting to ban all horses bigger than a Shetland because they're more likely to throw you off or cause harm because of their size!

Yellowdays · 23/04/2023 16:29

YANBU OP. Your original post summed it up.

AlwaysGinPlease · 23/04/2023 16:30

Suzi888 · 23/04/2023 16:20

@AlwaysGinPlease it wasn’t me. I copied another post who made the comment. I would never poison any living creature.

@Suzi888 I know it wasn't you. I was quoting your post with her bit in it. I reported hers not yours 💕 you're right about the child and the sausage!

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TheyareEverywhere · 23/04/2023 16:30

Suzi888 · 23/04/2023 15:13

“Its cruel, I know it is, but when it boils down to the safety of the public (especially a 3yo) I'd be thinking "fuck those dogs" and good riddance to them.” Let’s hope the crotch goblin doesn’t snatch a sausage eh? Or Gladys’s poodle mix. I don’t think you should encourage poisoning an animal OP.

I'm not encouraging PP go poison animals. I'm just saying that if they were my neighbours and my 3yo narrowly escaped being mauled and killed, I say killed because thats likely what would've happened if the dog got hold of her, I would definitely be thinking along those lines.

I acknowledge that its the wrong thing to do, but the instinct to protect your child and human life is strong. The authorities and the court haven't taken action. I would feel utterly desperate in that situation.

I mean I'm on edge and they live down the road. I can't imagine living next door.

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TheyareEverywhere · 23/04/2023 16:33

Jesus christ what is the need to report every little comment you don't agree with. By all means tell me you don't agree, tell me I'm unreasonable, why would you start reporting comments and risk the thread being taken down. Naff off.

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icanneverthinkofnc · 23/04/2023 16:35

By all means, ban xl bullies..the dogs no longer exist. The meatheads who own them as penis extentions will move onto another breed, ban dogs over a certain size, meatheads will move onto something else. Antisocial meatheads will find something..in America they have guns..ours have dogs..
The problem is the meatheads. Usually, of the criminal fraternity, ineffective courts leave them loose in society. Their kids are collateral damage in their lives. Anyone who gets in their way are fair game to them.

Suzi888 · 23/04/2023 16:47

@AlwaysGinPlease ah ok, thank you. Didn’t mind the reporting just didn’t want anyone thinking I was advocating dog poisoning. I think the post has been deleted now.

@TheyareEverywhere The problem is your drug users. Of course dogs shouldn’t be off lead in the children’s play area. Are you able to contact your LA /councillor about the dogs being off lead in the park. That’s probably your best bet, can you get other parents on board? I wouldn’t go following known drug users around if I were you.

Agree with @icanneverthinkofnc - spot on.

shadowchancesassy · 23/04/2023 16:50

Here he is. I understand not everyone likes the aesthetic of a bully breed but I think he's gorgeous. For context we own a Yorkshire terrier too and she rules the roost.

Something needs to be done about unleashed pitbulls/ XL bullys

shadowchancesassy · 23/04/2023 16:53

@TheyareEverywhere forgot to tag you in the pic.

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TheyareEverywhere · 23/04/2023 16:54

shadowchancesassy · 23/04/2023 16:50

Here he is. I understand not everyone likes the aesthetic of a bully breed but I think he's gorgeous. For context we own a Yorkshire terrier too and she rules the roost.

He has lovely eyes and colouring. I haven't seen one that looks like yours before. It's nice to see one with the ears intact 🙂

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SidekickSylvia · 23/04/2023 16:59

icanneverthinkofnc · 23/04/2023 16:35

By all means, ban xl bullies..the dogs no longer exist. The meatheads who own them as penis extentions will move onto another breed, ban dogs over a certain size, meatheads will move onto something else. Antisocial meatheads will find something..in America they have guns..ours have dogs..
The problem is the meatheads. Usually, of the criminal fraternity, ineffective courts leave them loose in society. Their kids are collateral damage in their lives. Anyone who gets in their way are fair game to them.

'Meatheads' may well move onto something else if American/XL Bullies were banned, but the general public's safety might not be affected in the same way. They can't be controlled. I've seen two recently, both times the person on the end of the lead wouldn't be able to stop them from doing whatever they wanted. Some of them are escaping gardens or freely roaming around off lead in parks. They're fast, too; you couldn't outrun one. I'm genuinely scared of encountering one when I'm walking my spaniel, because the thought of him being hurt makes me sick. They are very very dangerous, so they should be banned.

stbrandonsboat · 23/04/2023 17:05

ElmTree22 · 23/04/2023 16:26

This is a ridiculous comment. Why should we ban all large or powerful dog breeds? Because some people are scared of them? A lot of people are scared of horses, in fact horses are the cause of many injuries and fatalities but I don't hear anyone wanting to ban all horses bigger than a Shetland because they're more likely to throw you off or cause harm because of their size!

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Um, because they are attacking people? Horses do not generally attack people nor are they used as intimidating weapons by the hard of thinking.

icanneverthinkofnc · 23/04/2023 17:24

SidekickSylvia · 23/04/2023 16:59

'Meatheads' may well move onto something else if American/XL Bullies were banned, but the general public's safety might not be affected in the same way. They can't be controlled. I've seen two recently, both times the person on the end of the lead wouldn't be able to stop them from doing whatever they wanted. Some of them are escaping gardens or freely roaming around off lead in parks. They're fast, too; you couldn't outrun one. I'm genuinely scared of encountering one when I'm walking my spaniel, because the thought of him being hurt makes me sick. They are very very dangerous, so they should be banned.

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I don't disagree, my point is that we need to deal with the twats who have them , don't train them except in fighting and wouldn't comply with laws either. Usually these people have no respect for the law and are well known to the authorities.

I am a dog owner with a large dog, she could easily have me over..I spend hours on training, a fortune on classes she has more classes than my kids did . In the wrong hands, she could be a weapon. She is known for her good nature and I get lots of compliments about her. I'm neither complacent nor unreasonable..I do not let her off lead in parks etc precisely because I know if anything happened she would be blamed and suffer. I hire secure fields.
I would comply with licensing etc if introduced because I am a responsible owner.

Thesharkradar · 23/04/2023 17:32

shadowchancesassy · 23/04/2023 16:50

Here he is. I understand not everyone likes the aesthetic of a bully breed but I think he's gorgeous. For context we own a Yorkshire terrier too and she rules the roost.

thanks, I'll add that one to my list

Thesharkradar · 23/04/2023 17:39

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ElmTree22 · 23/04/2023 17:53

shadowchancesassy · 23/04/2023 16:50

Here he is. I understand not everyone likes the aesthetic of a bully breed but I think he's gorgeous. For context we own a Yorkshire terrier too and she rules the roost.

Beautiful dog!

ElmTree22 · 23/04/2023 17:55

@stbrandonsboat
Not all large/powerful breeds attack people either, Jesus Christ! So why ban them all?!

Laughloveloneliness · 23/04/2023 17:57

shadowchancesassy · 23/04/2023 16:50

Here he is. I understand not everyone likes the aesthetic of a bully breed but I think he's gorgeous. For context we own a Yorkshire terrier too and she rules the roost.

He is beautiful.

SidekickSylvia · 23/04/2023 17:59

icanneverthinkofnc · 23/04/2023 17:24

I don't disagree, my point is that we need to deal with the twats who have them , don't train them except in fighting and wouldn't comply with laws either. Usually these people have no respect for the law and are well known to the authorities.

I am a dog owner with a large dog, she could easily have me over..I spend hours on training, a fortune on classes she has more classes than my kids did . In the wrong hands, she could be a weapon. She is known for her good nature and I get lots of compliments about her. I'm neither complacent nor unreasonable..I do not let her off lead in parks etc precisely because I know if anything happened she would be blamed and suffer. I hire secure fields.
I would comply with licensing etc if introduced because I am a responsible owner.

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Your dog sounds lovely, and if she's well trained and on a lead I wouldn't be nervous around her at all. Big dogs in general aren't the problem, it's the 10 or 11 stone, all muscle and teeth, can't be controlled, bully breeds. I love all dogs apart from them. Two years ago I didn't see any, and now they seem to be in the news weekly. Eventually they'll be banned, I just hope nobody else is killed by one until then.

Thesharkradar · 23/04/2023 18:02

Eventually they'll be banned, I just hope nobody else is killed by one until then
what can we do as concerned citizens in the meantime, maybe photograph dog & owner each time you see one, send to local police? It will help them build a data base of who all the local crims are and make it easier to round them up and euthanize when the ban hammer comes down

DdraigGoch · 23/04/2023 18:17

Cocosmos · 23/04/2023 14:20

It's a shame common sense can't just be used. I think it's fairly fucking obvious what types of dogs we all want rid of so it should be fairly simple to recognise them, round them up and destroy them. But no, of course we have to make it more complicated because Dylan claims his hideous xl bully is a St Bernard and we have to believe him 😅

Dylan's XL bully identifies as a hamster. We must validate it or it will be very upset.

AlwaysGinPlease · 23/04/2023 18:34

@Suzi888 sadly despite reporting
It's still there. As are other vile posts.

AlwaysGinPlease · 23/04/2023 18:35

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You are utterly vile. That's a really sick and twisted thing to say.