Passport - EU travel

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Travelling to France in a few months for a week (July). My passport was issued in on 2nd September 2013. So when I depart the UK , my passport was issued within the last 10 years. My passport expires in June 2024

I guess I just want to check that the 3 months you need on your passport doesn't also need to be within the 10 year limit. It's just the departure from the Uk that needs to be inside the 10 years. Tying myself up in knots!

Thanks

Bump!

Well, the rules are that your passport must be less than 10 years old AND be valid for at least 3 months after your entry. Some border officials have interpreted this to mean that your passport most be less than 9 years and 9 months since the date of issue.
That would seem correct as you must have a valid passport for the entirety of your stay, which legally can be 90 days. So your passport would not be valid for entry into France unless it is less than 9 yr 9 months old.

I don't know if they are currently being that strict, but it is certainly a way it CAN be interpreted and applied.

I've had similar recently and as @50percentNamaste50percentGoFuckYourself says it depends on interpretation on the day. It wasn't France but I couldn't get a clear answer so I renewed passport early

The extra months added onto your passport after the 10 years are no longer valid, so your passport expires in September 2023.

I think your passport expires on 1 September 2023. So the three months you need expire 1 June 2023. I’d get a new passport if you want to travel after that date.

You need a new passport.

Yes as above, your passport expires on 01/09/23. You need a passport that is valid for 3 more months after the date you leave France, which you don't have. If you're flying they wont let you on the plane. If youre going by train/ferry it depends on the French officer on the day but if they let you travel they will be wrong. It's not worth the risk so you need a new passport.

The 2 qualifications are independent of each other so for the date you depart to the EU your passport has to be less than 10 years old (look at issue date - your passport is ok in that respect as you depart before September 2023)

When you leave you need 3 months remaining (look at the actual expiry date which is June 2024)

The 3 months remaining does not need to be within the new 10 year expiry given by your issue date

As far as the EU is concerned, your passport will expire on 2 September 2023, so you need to get a new passport. I’ve just renewed mine for this reason.

Sorry, that's wrong.

According to Title II, Chapter I, Article 6 of the Schengen Borders Codede_, third party nationals may only be admitted to the Schengen Area if the validity of the passport has been “issued within the previous 10 years”, and the passport validity extends at least three months after the intended date of departure.*

The OP's passport is no longer valid after September. She needs a new passport.

This is not true.

,y passport has the old system's extra months. My understanding is that you now have to ignore them entirely and the 10 years and 3/6 months remaining have to be based on the issue date.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepointsguy.co.uk/news/foreign-office-british-passport-rules-eu/amp/

It is true actually!

Even .gov gives this info:

Your passport must be:

• Issued less than 10 years before the date you enter the country (check the ‘date of issue’)
• valid for at least 3 months after the day you plan to leave (check the ‘expiry date’)

Ok looks like I am not the only one confused! I am going to renew it just in case!!

Anyone telling me I'm wrong are actually the ones giving incorrect info

I think I'll go with U.K. government info rather than some random bloke on the internet

www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/france/entry-requirements

This is what it says:

Passport validity
If you are planning to travel to an EU country (except Ireland), or Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino or Vatican City, you must follow the Schengen area passport requirementss_.
Your passport must be:
• Issued less than 10 years before the date you enter the country (check the ‘date of issue’)
• valid for at least 3 months after the day you plan to leave (check the ‘expiry date’)
You must check your passport meets these requirements before you travel. If your passport was issued before 1 October 2018, extra months may have been added to its expiry date.

The OP's passport expires in September. It is not valid after that date, regardless of the extra months that have been added.

It means check the actual expiry date not the one given by adding 10 years to the issue date

it doesn't expire. It just isn't valid in the EU after that point. Elsewhere, it is a valid passport.

No, you're entirely wrong.The Foreign Office says:

valid for at least 3 months after the day you plan to leave (check the ‘expiry date’)You must check your passport meets these requirements before you travel. If your passport was issued before 1 October 2018, extra months may have been added to its expiry date

VALID being the word here. It's not VALID in the EU if it is more than 10 years after the issue.

From a guardian article:

The European Commission says there are two rules that have to be complied with at the point of entry. The passport must have been issued within the previous 10 years, and it must be valid for at least three months after the day you plan to leave.However, the 10-year requirement “does not extend for the duration of the intended stay. It is enough if this condition is fulfilled at the moment of entry”.It says this means that a Briton arriving in an EU country on 1 December 2021 for a 20-day holiday with a passport issued on 2 December 2011 and valid until 2 April 2022 would be allowed entry.The validity date is the expiry date, not the 10th anniversary of the passport being issued, and if you are on holiday in Europe when your passport “busts” the 10-year rule, that is fine.

OP I work in this field and deal with EU entry requirements on a daily basis. There has been much confusion around these issues including the UK government who have issued incorrect advice on several occasions. I can say with absolute confidence that most Police aux Frontieres officers apply the rule that the 3 months validity must be within the 10 years, so you are wise to renew your passport!

And if the French border official is an avid Guardian reader, that will matter. If not...pffft <gallic shrug>.

You can be convinced you are correct in your understanding,but it won't help you if they are intepreting it the way I have said.

I was in same position and the rules can be confusing. The expiry date is 10 years from issue date, not anything that else that might be printed on your passport - the adding on of months is no longer recognised.

The question is OP - do you want to risk it? I certainly didn't so I renewed my passport. It only took 10 days for a brand new shiny one to arrive and that was over the Easter period and the strikes.

Don't chance it!

You can't use for France if departing UK after 01st June.