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Exposing Cafcass and the Flying Monkeys

94 replies

SpringMum30 · 20/04/2023 18:13

I don’t know why I was shocked when going through the complaints procedure with Cafcass because my expectations were already low, but they were so dismissive it was almost unbelievable.

I was a victim of coercive control and Cafcass claim to have a protocol to explore this:
-The extent with which these factors remain present in the relationship
-The current risk to victim and child
-The impact on parenting capacity
-The impact on the child
-Mitigating protective factors

The only factor the Cafcass officer explored was:
-The impact on parenting capacity

The Cafcass officer commented that it could ‘impact her emotionally’. Sounds like victim blaming to me! No mention of any other factor. After leaving my ex I’ve had malicious ss referrals, lies about my mental health, the smear campaign, finances withdrawn, belongings withheld etc.He has also caused emotional harm to our children.

When questioning why the Cafcass officer didn’t explore all factors of coercive control she said she didn’t have to! No sweat Sherlock but it’s your responsibility to do your due diligence and to ignore something so significant is negligent at best!

I had a phone conversation with someone who deals with complaints who spent the entire time talking about why I shouldn’t complain and what I could have done before starting the complaints process.

I’m looking into speaking to my local MP to complain to the PHSO to see if I can make any progress that way. I urge anyone else if you can find the strength to take these measure with these shoddy Cafcass reports. They will have to listen eventually. With these new coercive control laws in place they’ll not be able to so easily brush it under the carpet either!

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SpringMum30 · 25/04/2023 06:36

TitaniumTess · 22/04/2023 21:33

@SpringMum30 my MP said that he would meet up with me in a local surgery.

Has anyone got any experience around using an Ombudsman to complain and how is it best to time this around court proceedings?

That's great. I think before the final hearing. I waited until after because I was overwhelmed with it all but I think it's best to be done whilst there's still a chance it could help with final decisions.
Complaining after helps hold them accountable and hopefully make changes to practice eventually but too late to change the final hearing outcom

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SpringMum30 · 25/04/2023 06:36

TitaniumTess · 22/04/2023 21:33

@SpringMum30 my MP said that he would meet up with me in a local surgery.

Has anyone got any experience around using an Ombudsman to complain and how is it best to time this around court proceedings?

Outcome*

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TitaniumTess · 25/04/2023 06:40

Thank you. I will go for it!

SpringMum30 · 25/04/2023 06:55

TitaniumTess · 25/04/2023 06:40

Thank you. I will go for it!

Good for you! Take care of yourself through the process. I've had to pause my complaint as I had my first panic attack a few days ago, two weeks after my final hearing. I think I underestimated how much stress I was under so taking some time to make sure my mental health is in the best place x

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Eggseggseverywhere · 25/04/2023 06:58

I threw one out of my house after she threatened I go along with her ideas or exh would get full custody.

Of my dc not our dc....

TitaniumTess · 25/04/2023 06:59

@SpringMum30 thanks. I understand. After 4 years of emotional and psychological abuse in the house....I had another year of him shouting on my driveway....then another years of lies and abuse through the family court system. I know it takes its toll. I just keep chipping away at the notes / replies etc. And trying to stay sane amongst it all. 💗

SpringMum30 · 25/04/2023 07:15

TitaniumTess · 25/04/2023 06:59

@SpringMum30 thanks. I understand. After 4 years of emotional and psychological abuse in the house....I had another year of him shouting on my driveway....then another years of lies and abuse through the family court system. I know it takes its toll. I just keep chipping away at the notes / replies etc. And trying to stay sane amongst it all. 💗

It's awful isn't it I'm sorry you've had a hard time do. That's why there needs to be change there are so many more women like us. The impact of the court system and the abuse they enable has such a detrimental impact. I commend you for pushing through and really hope for a positive result x

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TitaniumTess · 25/04/2023 07:31

@SpringMum30 Thanks. It helps knowing that I am not alone. Made me well up that did, actually. Thanks x

SpringMum30 · 25/04/2023 07:46

TitaniumTess · 25/04/2023 07:31

@SpringMum30 Thanks. It helps knowing that I am not alone. Made me well up that did, actually. Thanks x

So much love ❤️

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Mum2023 · 11/05/2023 15:43

I’ve had the same problem with cafcass nothing wrong with my parenting but if I was a drug deadlier I may have a better chance keeping my kids but I’m a good mum that doesn’t count

Mum2023 · 11/05/2023 15:45

Carcass are so biased they shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions on childrens welfare. This system needs to be exposed and stopped from then destroying families.

Perpetuallyexhaustedtoddlermum · 11/05/2023 16:32

I have no experience with CAFCASS but unfortunately due to my circumstances I soon will.
It's terrifying how incompetent some of these people must be.
Is CAFCASS where social workers end up when no local authority wants to take responsibility for them?

Eggseggseverywhere · 11/05/2023 16:36

Take notes
Keep notes
Highlight any utter shite they put down on paper. Make your solicitor question every bit that isn't a fact..
Senior Cafcass officer who was also dc's court appointed legal guardian admitted he had based his 4 year files on facts from exh... Facts indeed. Judge threw him out..
Meanwhile I had ptsd and weighed 7 stone...

Perpetuallyexhaustedtoddlermum · 11/05/2023 16:49

@Eggseggseverywhere I will keep lots of notes plus evidence from the police if that's allowed. It's utterly horrendous how the family court system is almost like a domestic abusers revenge.
I'm so sorry that happened to you.

Mum2023 · 11/05/2023 17:33

cafcass shouldn’t be allowed to make decisions on children they are not psychologically trained in children they are just ticking sheet, my ex has been really abusive towards
me and my children that wasn’t taken into any account, I asked for childrens to be interviewed with someone present in the room that didn’t happen, it was if you don’t agree to 50/50 then I will refer you to social services for emotional child abuse as a parent I have not made any major changes I haven’t been consistent and staying quo has been the same he has made major life changes and that is fine. I think if I was a drug dealer I would have more of a chance winning them over

Mum2023 · 11/05/2023 17:35

They are unfit and bias and shouldn’t be allowed to ruin families it’s disgusting how a good parent is treated and how well the other parent who isn’t a good parent gets there approval it’s shocking our system is failing our children and the mental health issues will do not get worse by there actions and they are not hold accountable for there decisions.

SpringMum30 · 11/05/2023 18:14

Mum2023 · 11/05/2023 17:35

They are unfit and bias and shouldn’t be allowed to ruin families it’s disgusting how a good parent is treated and how well the other parent who isn’t a good parent gets there approval it’s shocking our system is failing our children and the mental health issues will do not get worse by there actions and they are not hold accountable for there decisions.

So so true! My abusive ex got away with his lies and it felt like he was rewarded at the end of the process by getting more than what he even asked for (regarding contact). It's very painful going through the process and seeing the injustice playing out before your very eyes. I complained to Cafcass and started a complaint via my MP but had to take a break to look after my mental health. The family court process left me with ptsd and I had a panic attack for he first time ever. I realised how the trauma had really affected my whole body and with young children to look after it is really important that I take care of my mental and physical health. I'm already in a much better place a month down the line and I hope to complete that complaint and address these issues soon.

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mummysquasher · 11/05/2023 18:23

I don't think anything will change till children who have been affected by CAFCASS decisions are of age and launch a class action or call for a public inquiry. I hope things will change before then but I think it is unlikely.

Mum2023 · 11/05/2023 18:26

How can MPs help? I will get in contact with mines can they help? This should not be allowed people like her should not make any decisions she made me feel like it was an unfit mother for asking my children there wishes I was classed as emotionally abusing my kids however the father openly discussed this with the children and cafcass said nothing so how was that justified?

SweetSakura · 11/05/2023 18:29

I wish I had had the strength to complain about cafcass.

I am so shocked at how they operate.

No effort to build up a relationship with the child before questioning them. No skill or subtlety in questioning. Placing more value on dad's apparently charming personality that the clear evidence provided (police evidence, medical evidence , disclosures from my son to school teachers). Ignoring the guidelines (pushing me as a victim of a abuse to do mediation with my abuser). Laughing at me when I said I was too afraid to be in a room with my abuser.

thisisasurvivor · 11/05/2023 18:30

Oh my god

My experience was beyond awful

Why is so many going through this

How to put in a joint complaint?

SpringMum30 · 11/05/2023 18:30

Mum2023 · 11/05/2023 18:26

How can MPs help? I will get in contact with mines can they help? This should not be allowed people like her should not make any decisions she made me feel like it was an unfit mother for asking my children there wishes I was classed as emotionally abusing my kids however the father openly discussed this with the children and cafcass said nothing so how was that justified?

If you are unhappy with the outcome of a complaint made to Cafcass you can make a complaint to the PHSO via your local MP. www.Theyworkforyou.com. This website can be used to find out who your local MP is. I'm sorry you've had such an awful experience. I have had similar and I made sure to let the Cafcass officer know when she asked for feedback forms!

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SpringMum30 · 11/05/2023 18:31

mummysquasher · 11/05/2023 18:23

I don't think anything will change till children who have been affected by CAFCASS decisions are of age and launch a class action or call for a public inquiry. I hope things will change before then but I think it is unlikely.

I've heard something about journalists being allowed into the Family Courtrooms from January 2023. Maybe this will help shed some light.

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SpringMum30 · 11/05/2023 18:34

thisisasurvivor · 11/05/2023 18:30

Oh my god

My experience was beyond awful

Why is so many going through this

How to put in a joint complaint?

You have to complain via Cafcass first and then if unsatisfied with the outcome (very likely) you can contact your MP to complain via the PHSO. They'll have to pay attention eventually if multiple complaints are coming through. I would just say as I have mentioned before to take care of your mental health during the process as it can be very mentally and emotionally draining discussing traumatic experiences within the family court.

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Mum2023 · 11/05/2023 18:36

Did it help your case when you questioned her ?