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To be resentful at friend over ghosting?

43 replies

Kathleen995 · 18/04/2023 23:19

Hi everyone!

Bit of a long story but I’ll try to be concise as possible. One of my best friends had been experiencing infertility for about a year, a fact I only knew bedside she brought it up briefly once when drunk and explained she’d had to essentially ghost her pregnant friends.

I then became pregnant myself a couple of months later and took great care researching the best way to tell her, what to say etc. I sent her a very sensitive text acknowledging how difficult the news might be to hear but don’t feel the need to respond right away, that I was thinking of her and sending love. She sent back a very brief “congratulations”
text and then I didn’t hear from her for a few weeks. I sent her a text to ask how she was doing and she gave very brief responses and didn’t acknowledge my pregnancy etc.

It continued in this pattern, of me hearing nothing from her and reaching out every few weeks, or couple of months, to check in. Contact was never initiated from her end and she never opened up about her struggle with infertility or how she was feeling. This continued until I was about six months pregnant, at which point she invited all her closest friends apart from me to spend her birthday with her. At this point I sent a long text to her explaining that I found this hurtful and I felt my pregnancy was driving a wedge between us, asking her to be honest about if she needed distance or if she’d like to have a frank conversation about it.

In her response she essentially gaslit me, saying she’d just had things on her mind and didn’t think it was a big deal that I hadn’t been invited, as she usually spends more time with those other friends anyway. This was pretty hurtful to hear.

We saw each other in person twice during my pregnancy (alongside a mutual friend, in a group) and the atmosphere was always very tense, my pregnancy wasn’t really acknowledged and her reaction was very stand offish and disinterested when our other friend asked me questions about it. As a result I felt deeply uncomfortable mentioning my pregnancy infront of her, despite being very visibly pregnant at this point.

Once my son was born, she sent gifts for him and champagne for me but didn’t text or call to ask how I was getting on or how my son was. Suddenly she expressed a desire to meet him at Christmas and was like her old self, very bubbly and happy and asking lots of questions about him. Fast forward to this month, where she announces her pregnancy to me in a
casual way, explaining she’s due in august (so would’ve been pregnant at Christmas when meeting my son, hence the sudden change in attitude), but doesn’t acknowledge the fact she basically ghosted me for a year and made me feel really anxious and stressed when already dealing with severe prenatal depression (something I’d shared with her but she never asked about).

She seems to think we can go back to how our friendship was before I became pregnant, without ever accounting for her hurtful actions. I realise infertility must be an extremely difficult thing to go through and I completely respect that, I just wish she could’ve communicated her feelings instead of avoiding then gaslighting me then wanting to resume the friendship now things have worked out for her.

Am I being unreasonable to expect some degree of accountability from her?

OP posts:
TheQueenOfOverthinking · 18/04/2023 23:44

You’ve posted this previously. I’m curious, why you are re asking?

MisschiefMaker · 18/04/2023 23:50

I couldn't get worked up over this. She did what she did to protect her feelings. I can see why the sudden change in attitude annoyed you because maybe it felt like she was taking you for granted, assuming you'd be willing to pick up where you left off, but I'd forgive and move on. Life's too short.

Are you friendly with the other mums she ghosted? Will be interesting to see how they deal with it too.

Tellmeimcrazy · 18/04/2023 23:53

Yes I remember reading a similar post. It was about her - not about you OP. You can try talking about it with her again, but you may not get the response you need or want. I'd just keep it light with her and leave it at that.

DrMarciaFieldstone · 18/04/2023 23:54

Yabu to have posted the exact same story last month.

Just read the replies last time.

Firstttimemama · 19/04/2023 01:56

I can understand exactly why you are hurt. I was cut off from one of my closest friends within weeks of falling pregnant. She was a few months ahead of me and was incredibly anxious to the point of extremity e.g. wouldn’t have a cup of tea in my house because I didn’t use chemical free cleaning products, in case it poisoned her baby. In contrast, I am very relaxed and care free and she couldn’t handle it, as I think it reinforced just how much she was struggling. I’d been supportive throughout whilst gently encouraging she seek help, but I was cut off overnight, it was incredibly painful and like she’d died. As much as I would like the friendship to recover, it would be hard to ever forget the hurt caused. So I can totally understand why you feel hurt, even when you know the other person has their reasons for acting that way.

QueenSmartypants · 19/04/2023 02:04

I don't recall any previous posts about this so here's my answer:

It's not really about the fact that that ghosted you but the disrespect with which she treated you when you attempted to address it. You offered her selfless sensitivity, space and understanding and her response was to deny, criticise and treat you with hostility.

That I couldn't move past.

If she had acknowledged the elephant in the room, responded with equal sensitivity then you would still have a friendship. But she treated you as an enemy and expects to be able to rewind to when you had a friendship without any acknowledgement of her gaslighting of you.

I understand, personally, why she struggled so much but its not an excuse for treating you the way she did.

mainsfed · 19/04/2023 02:06

You’re not obliged to be with friends with her, so if you resent her then just walk away.

Equally she’s not obliged to see you or talk to you when she was experiencing infertility.

I’m afraid the feelings of the person experiencing infertility trumps all other social niceties, to the extent the person is not nasty. It doesn’t sound like she has been nasty at all, she sounds like someone who has been trying to protect herself.

mainsfed · 19/04/2023 02:08

QueenSmartypants · 19/04/2023 02:04

I don't recall any previous posts about this so here's my answer:

It's not really about the fact that that ghosted you but the disrespect with which she treated you when you attempted to address it. You offered her selfless sensitivity, space and understanding and her response was to deny, criticise and treat you with hostility.

That I couldn't move past.

If she had acknowledged the elephant in the room, responded with equal sensitivity then you would still have a friendship. But she treated you as an enemy and expects to be able to rewind to when you had a friendship without any acknowledgement of her gaslighting of you.

I understand, personally, why she struggled so much but its not an excuse for treating you the way she did.

I don’t think it’s for other people to tell someone experiencing infertility that they should deal with people with ‘sensitivity’.

It sounds like the friend withdrew from her pregnant friends, which is understandable in the circumstances. In fact she had already told OP she was doing this so OP should just have given her space.

AnneLovesGilbert · 19/04/2023 02:10

Sounds like it’s over between you and you won’t be able to move past your understandable feelings of resentment. So just back away.

QueenSmartypants · 19/04/2023 02:23

mainsfed · 19/04/2023 02:08

I don’t think it’s for other people to tell someone experiencing infertility that they should deal with people with ‘sensitivity’.

It sounds like the friend withdrew from her pregnant friends, which is understandable in the circumstances. In fact she had already told OP she was doing this so OP should just have given her space.

That isn't quite what I meant, I appreciate I could have worded it better.

What I meant was that she knew the op was aware of her fertility struggles and the impact this was having on her friendships. The op demonstrated sensitivity and understanding in response and happily gave her space. But to treat her with hostility and to bold-facedly deny that she was treating her any differently is not OK.

It's actually really damaging to the person on the receiving end.

As I implied, I have some personal experience of the friends situation but that doesn't excuse nastiness or manipulative behaviour. Friendship works both ways and if she wants to resume the friendship now that she can, there needs to be some acknowledgement on her side about how she treated the op.

TheFretfulPorpentine · 19/04/2023 02:43

She is not really much of a friend is she?

Dintananadinta · 19/04/2023 02:51

It's not your fault she was infertile. I would be annoyed as well. You gave her space and was sensitive about it. I would explain to her that you're hurt and that you were gas lit. Friends should be happy for each other regardless of our struggles.

neverwakeasleepingbaby · 19/04/2023 02:54

I'm sorry to say but this is more about her than you. She could and possibly should have been the bigger person whilst she was struggling but honestly infertility is so so hard when you're not yet sure of the outcome. I can't really claim to have "battled" very hard but I did go through two pregnancy losses in 8 months whilst all my friends were announcing their pregnancies. Each and every announcement felt like a blow, the world was so unfair, and I withdrew from them until I could face the situation. I think it's the equivalent of acting like "if you can't say anything nice then don't say anything nice at all". The feelings of resentment snd unfairness of the world that I had when I was losing babies and they were having successful pregnancies were ugly and I'm not proud, but my mental health was in such a poor state that I had to do what I needed to do to protect myself.

I'm sorry your friend wasn't there for you when you were first pregnant, but you can be there for her by showing compassion for her situation in retrospect and try to move past it. She possibly should have been better at communicating but she was probably feeling at complete rock bottom and no one is on their best behaviour then. So please try to understand from her point of view too

CorinaCortado · 19/04/2023 02:56

What was wrong with the replies on your last thread about this?

mackthepony · 19/04/2023 02:56

I would have no time for her whatsoever

toucaninjapan · 19/04/2023 03:06

I've found the previous thread. You have posted the same thing last month OP, word for word, did you have any sort of conversation with your friend within these past weeks or not?

Personally, I completely understand your point of view, and whilst I sympathize with your friend's feelings, I think she should have handled it much better than gaslighting you. It's not like you caused her infertility issues or were constantly trying to tell her about your pregnancy and all the joy it brings you, so that hostility was totally uncalled for.
And the PND? You tell her you're struggling and she completely ignores that? I don't think she's your friend.
I dislike two-faced people so if I was you, I'd tell her the exact reasons why I can't be friends with her anymore and blocked her. Life is short, nobody needs this drama and a friend who might turn her back at you at any moment. God forbid your kid go to Oxford and hers goes to a not so famous university! Or you have an amazing relationship with your partner whilst she goes through a rocky spot. These things are obviously not comparable to infertility, but people don't really change, their behavioral patterns stay the same, so I'd be wary of that.

ImustLearn2Cook · 19/04/2023 03:07

She responded to your texts, she congratulated you on your birth and gave you gifts. This sounds like going low contact not ghosting you.

She has nothing to apologise for. Perhaps try to appreciate what she was able to give you at the time and understand why she needed to go low contact.

She has a right to choose who she spends time with and how much she spends time with them just as much as you and everyone else has.

She isn’t obligated to call you and spend time with you. You feeling hurt is your responsibility to deal with.

Galaxyinmypocket · 19/04/2023 03:10

She backed away to protect herself emotionally. It sounds as though she didn't know how to cope when meeting face to face but there was no need to be frosty with you etc. She told you she had ghosted others when they became pregnant (demonstrating she did not know how to cope and didn't know how to explain) so I don't know why you pushed to talk about it, regardless if talking sensitively, that could have been perceived by her as lacking understanding of how painful this is for her, and that you ignored those boundaries.

However, she loses the right to then pick up where she left off, she would have known that cutting you off could mean breaking the friendship permanently and probably she may have felt that coping with that would be better than coping with staying close to you during pregnancy.

I would say walk away from the friendship because it sounds like this won't be easy to repair and may never go back to the way it was. She chose to burn her bridges when she ghosted you.

Ladybug14 · 19/04/2023 03:46

I think I posted on your previous thread which was exactly the same as this thread Hmm

Flittingaboutagain · 19/04/2023 04:10

I think she was very clear that she was struggling and you kept pressing her on it because she didn't acknowledge your pregnancy. I don't know what this means other than it was so important to you that she ask about how your pregnancy was going etc? Was her inability to do that so unforgivable? I'm surprised she didn't want to open to you or acknowledge how she felt. She would have done that with other friends going through infertility more likely.

I personally would be grateful I hadn't gone through her struggles and if you value her as a friend let it go. She sent the baby gifts and congratulated you, which isn't ghosting. I went through similar and didn't punish my good friend for having to back off for a year. I was just glad to have her back!

daisychain01 · 19/04/2023 04:30

She's clearly struggling.

you may need to give her a year or longer, possibly never, to get over her feelings, she may have decided that's it, you're history.

unfortunately that's how some friendships go.

Toocooltoboogie · 19/04/2023 04:39

What do you mean your friend was experiencing infertility for a year? Do you mean she was trying to conceive for a year and it hadn't happened yet?

MichelleScarn · 19/04/2023 04:39

Contact was never initiated from her end and she never opened up about her struggle with infertility or how she was feeling. This continued until I was about six months pregnant, at which point she invited all her closest friends apart from me to spend her birthday with her. At this point I sent a long text to her explaining that I found this hurtful and I felt my pregnancy was driving a wedge between us, asking her to be honest about if she needed distance or if she’d like to have a frank conversation about it.
Seriously? So while pregnant you expected a friend struggling with infertility to come and meet pregnant you and talk about why she's so sad she can't get pregnant (like you can).
You then contact her again reminding her you're pregnant oh and she's not, and you can see how this is causing issues and you want to have a 'Frank conversation' about her behaviour?!
how self centred and entitled are you?!

Doingmybest12 · 19/04/2023 04:43

It sounds like you knew she was going to struggle and how she'd respond because she told you when she was drunk. Despite trying your best from your account she reacted as she said she would. Up to you if you can move past this. I think the current words 'ghosting'and ' gas lighting ' aren't really helpful. Maybe they make it sound more premeditated and purposeful than her actions just being a reaction . Of she was a dear friend to me before I would probably try again because id want to support her but be wary and not expect much back. But obviously this might depend on how robust you are feeling in yourself.

Toocooltoboogie · 19/04/2023 04:48

Before judging op there should be some context given regarding the infertility which op hasn't clarified. It took me well over a year to conceive but that didn't mean I was struggling with infertility. It doesnt happen straight away for many people and that doesn't give them the right to treat friends poorly.