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To be resentful at friend over ghosting?

43 replies

Kathleen995 · 18/04/2023 23:19

Hi everyone!

Bit of a long story but I’ll try to be concise as possible. One of my best friends had been experiencing infertility for about a year, a fact I only knew bedside she brought it up briefly once when drunk and explained she’d had to essentially ghost her pregnant friends.

I then became pregnant myself a couple of months later and took great care researching the best way to tell her, what to say etc. I sent her a very sensitive text acknowledging how difficult the news might be to hear but don’t feel the need to respond right away, that I was thinking of her and sending love. She sent back a very brief “congratulations”
text and then I didn’t hear from her for a few weeks. I sent her a text to ask how she was doing and she gave very brief responses and didn’t acknowledge my pregnancy etc.

It continued in this pattern, of me hearing nothing from her and reaching out every few weeks, or couple of months, to check in. Contact was never initiated from her end and she never opened up about her struggle with infertility or how she was feeling. This continued until I was about six months pregnant, at which point she invited all her closest friends apart from me to spend her birthday with her. At this point I sent a long text to her explaining that I found this hurtful and I felt my pregnancy was driving a wedge between us, asking her to be honest about if she needed distance or if she’d like to have a frank conversation about it.

In her response she essentially gaslit me, saying she’d just had things on her mind and didn’t think it was a big deal that I hadn’t been invited, as she usually spends more time with those other friends anyway. This was pretty hurtful to hear.

We saw each other in person twice during my pregnancy (alongside a mutual friend, in a group) and the atmosphere was always very tense, my pregnancy wasn’t really acknowledged and her reaction was very stand offish and disinterested when our other friend asked me questions about it. As a result I felt deeply uncomfortable mentioning my pregnancy infront of her, despite being very visibly pregnant at this point.

Once my son was born, she sent gifts for him and champagne for me but didn’t text or call to ask how I was getting on or how my son was. Suddenly she expressed a desire to meet him at Christmas and was like her old self, very bubbly and happy and asking lots of questions about him. Fast forward to this month, where she announces her pregnancy to me in a
casual way, explaining she’s due in august (so would’ve been pregnant at Christmas when meeting my son, hence the sudden change in attitude), but doesn’t acknowledge the fact she basically ghosted me for a year and made me feel really anxious and stressed when already dealing with severe prenatal depression (something I’d shared with her but she never asked about).

She seems to think we can go back to how our friendship was before I became pregnant, without ever accounting for her hurtful actions. I realise infertility must be an extremely difficult thing to go through and I completely respect that, I just wish she could’ve communicated her feelings instead of avoiding then gaslighting me then wanting to resume the friendship now things have worked out for her.

Am I being unreasonable to expect some degree of accountability from her?

OP posts:
OrderOfTheKookaburra · 19/04/2023 04:51

You're not a toy that she can pick up and put down at will. You more a person with feelings and she stomped all over them.

I'd be like you, I couldn't just go back.

crazyaboutcats · 19/04/2023 04:56

She told you very clearly before you were pregnant how badly pregnant friends affected her, why, and that she had to go NC with them

You then spent your pregnancy trying to cojule, at one point demanding even, that she either makes an exception to you or breaks down and admits to you exactly how badly your pregnancy was effecting her

Now it's over she's trying to patch up with you despite your insensitivity and demands on her

ChrisTrepidation · 19/04/2023 04:57

I struggled with infertility. It is the darkest pit of hell imaginable. I have twins via IVF but I genuinely think I might have killed myself if I could'nt have them. It really was that bad.

Your friend did what she had to do to protect her sanity. Please don't make her revisit such painful memories for the sake of 'accountability'. Just let it go.

carriedout · 19/04/2023 05:03

Am I being unreasonable to expect some degree of accountability from her? Yes, I do think YABU.

Your friend explained she was struggling with infertility and was backing away from pregnant friends.

You are asking something from a friend that really you have no right to ask. You seem to think she owes you.

You are within your rights to back away yourself, but not to 'expect accountability'. You are not her boss, she is not under contract to you. Friendships are fluid and always under review by both party.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/04/2023 05:20

crazyaboutcats · 19/04/2023 04:56

She told you very clearly before you were pregnant how badly pregnant friends affected her, why, and that she had to go NC with them

You then spent your pregnancy trying to cojule, at one point demanding even, that she either makes an exception to you or breaks down and admits to you exactly how badly your pregnancy was effecting her

Now it's over she's trying to patch up with you despite your insensitivity and demands on her

This. You thought as you’d been forewarned you could find the magic formula that would make you an exception and are affronted that you couldn’t.

Of course it hurts to be ignored and told things you don’t want to hear. However, you knew she would react this way. And are still cross that she reacted this way.

You have a choice now, you can go on as you are. Or you can decide you are not happy that she couldn’t handle your pregnancy.

As someone, who went through ivf myself it’s bloody hard to not get pregnant. I never was one, who got upset in the way your friend did. But it sounds as though she honoured her feelings.

EdgeOfACoin · 19/04/2023 05:45

I'm with you, OP.

There is an attitude on Mumsnet that infertility is a free pass to treat pregnant women poorly. It isn't.

An honest (sober) conversation with your friend would have been the decent thing for her to do, even if she then explained she would find it very difficult to be around you for the next few months. I don't follow this 'she isn't obliged to speak to you' mentality. Friendships do come with certain implied obligations, actually.

A couple of years ago there was a thread about a pregnant woman who had a colleague who was struggling with infertility and who couldn't stand to be in the same room as her while she was pregnant. It was generally agreed on the thread that it was not acceptable for the colleague to walk out of the room every time the pregnant woman walked in. I don't see that this is particularly different.

As for what to do now, it's up to you. You know your friend was in a time of deep pain when she ignored you. One feature of friendship is the ability to forgive one another. In this case, if you have generally had a good friendship in the past, can you forgive her for her actions when she was in a very dark place and unable to see beyond her own pain?

palelavender · 19/04/2023 05:48

It is very difficult to be super glad about somebody having the thing that you want more than anything and can't have. My mother had a struggle to conceive and she told me that it seemed that everywhere she went there were pregnant women and she found it very difficult. I think she would have found it almost impossible to socialise with a friend who was pregnant. I think you should cut your friend some slack. Imagine if you had been in her shoes.

TheHoover · 19/04/2023 05:54

you seem to display no empathy for her fertility issues. Could you imagine standing in her shoes? And I don’t mean how would you behave in her situation I mean think about what it might feel like for her seeing everyone fall pregnant around her when the only thing she wants in the world is a child.
If you want to drop her, then drop her. She may be better off without someone who cannot forgive her for her totally understandable behaviour.

Namechangenoidea · 19/04/2023 07:03

I’ve seen someone behave like this to my friend and I think it’s horrible. I wouldn’t want a friend like her to be honest. Why would you want a friend that tried to take joy away from your pregnancy because she couldn’t get pregnant. I don’t believe in the she was trying to protect her feelings. If that’s the case she would never have left her house with all the babies and prams outside.

ImustLearn2Cook · 20/04/2023 01:24

Everyone has the right to choose how much they share about their personal lives and who they share it with. She does not have to share how she feels about her struggles to get pregnant. She is not obligated to confide in you. She is not obligated to talk about her feelings. She is allowed to have boundaries that work for her and if you were a good friend you would respect that.

WhatToDo2023 · 20/04/2023 01:41

She did what she needed to do for her sanity. Fine. But you can and should do the same. She hurt you, she caused stress and was not there for you. She's not your friend anymore and that's ok to acknowledge. Most friendships are circumstantial and they come and go throughout our lives. Time for new friends.

MermaidMummy06 · 20/04/2023 01:53

I had this happen. It's bloody hurtful when I supported her through her fertility journey when needed, and didn't push in when she didn't want me around, even when I was doing 100% of the friend work. I put up with a lot, even came out at ungodly hours to support her. Until I got pregnant.

Then I was dumped, left out & expected, according to MN, to 'honour her feelings'. What about mine? It made me feel ashamed of my pregnancy (I struggled but didn't need ivf), and I felt I couldn't be happy about it because of how it affected her. If she needed space she could have explained & I would have supported that.

But you can't just ghost a friend with no explanation then call them up when you are pregnant and want them to celebrate with you. The damage is done.

I know she needed to protect herself, but I matter too & deserved to be told. It's not all about her. Ivf or not.

I later learned she'd been vicious behind my back about how I didn't deserve my baby so there's no repairing it now.

Mamai90 · 20/04/2023 01:55

I totally understand about protecting feelings and I suffered infertility for 8 years before having DC but your friend has behaved in a shitty way. Its OK to protect your feelings but you should also be mindful of other people's.

I would find this behaviour hard to forgive, she has been a rubbish friend. She should at least be open and honest now about why she was a dick but she wants to forget it ever happened.

Mamai90 · 20/04/2023 01:59

@QueenSmartypants articulated it much better than I did. But I wholeheartedly agree.

Viviennemary · 20/04/2023 02:03

Up to you but I wouldn't be over inclined to renew this friendship. She hasn't treated you very well IMHO. But you shouldn't have sent her the long text. It was fairly obvious why she felt she couldn't see you. I wouldn't bother with her. Maybe a few people will ghost her now, ridiculous.

muppy · 20/04/2023 02:15

It's not at all the same as TTC, but I had a very long period of mental health issues and complete failure in my life. Back in my childhood bedroom, I cut off contact with my flourishing friends in the city.

I don't blame myself for doing that but I know if I want their friendship back, I have to consider their perspective.

Now that things are semi okay for me after a few turbulent years, I've

(1) apologised for cutting them off in the first place (even if justified on my end, being cut off is always hurtful)

(2) apologised for not simply telling them I needed space (i.e. could have gone about it better) - separate thing from #1

(3) prepared for the fact that they might not want me back in their lives – it's presumptuous to just turn up acting all cheery again

She could have done 1, 2 or 3. She's done none. Very entitled woman

Okthenhun · 20/04/2023 02:34

muppy · 20/04/2023 02:15

It's not at all the same as TTC, but I had a very long period of mental health issues and complete failure in my life. Back in my childhood bedroom, I cut off contact with my flourishing friends in the city.

I don't blame myself for doing that but I know if I want their friendship back, I have to consider their perspective.

Now that things are semi okay for me after a few turbulent years, I've

(1) apologised for cutting them off in the first place (even if justified on my end, being cut off is always hurtful)

(2) apologised for not simply telling them I needed space (i.e. could have gone about it better) - separate thing from #1

(3) prepared for the fact that they might not want me back in their lives – it's presumptuous to just turn up acting all cheery again

She could have done 1, 2 or 3. She's done none. Very entitled woman

Great post and I agree with this. Going through very difficult life experiences does not give you a free pass.

QueenBitch666 · 20/04/2023 03:22

Dump her. She's no friend

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