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To ask if a house is haunted before I buy it

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pineapple7peach · 18/04/2023 13:13

As the title says. Irrational childhood fear which I never grew out of. I don't know if I even believe in the paranormal but my worst nightmare is buying a house I'm too frightened to live in.

Would I be an embarrassment if I asked the estate agent/seller this question?

OP posts:
Ilovetolurk · 18/04/2023 14:36

YesitsBess · 18/04/2023 13:20

Maybe we can come up with a rating system. Like an EPC:

A - not so much as a sprite
B - occasional weird creaking
C - spooky basement
D - possibly a poltergeist or phantom cat
E- built over burial ground
F - actual portal to hell behind sofa

etc.

I love this. I’ve just sold a house with a haunted cellar and its own phantom cat actually in the cellar. Are you my buyers Grin

pineapple7peach · 18/04/2023 14:37

MouthfulofMidwinter · 18/04/2023 14:21

Absolutely. I mean, if I'm choosing between a buyer who's asking sensible questions about extension dates or boundaries or one who appears to be a gibbering loon suffering from irrational fears about imaginary spirits inhabiting a house she might buy, I know which one I'm going to think is a safer bet.

A more cynical person might think that the OP is gullible enough to be talked into a higher selling price to include a full exorcism, sage-burning, salt-sprinkling etc, mind you....

OP, do that. Phone up and ask the estate agent. Who will put you on hold, shout to the office 'Listen to this loon!' and then put you on speaker and get you to explain in detail exactly what type of ghosties you are afraid might be inhabiting Number Two, Suburban Avenue.

That's an awful lot of words when you could have cut straight to the point and called me a demented lunatic! I appreciate your patronising honesty but I do hope people treat you nicer if you ever face an anxiety disorder or similar mental health struggle

OP posts:
Comedycook · 18/04/2023 14:38

If you believe in ghosts...I don't by the way...then surely the entire world is haunted by the billions and billions of people who have inhabited the earth throughout the ages? I mean literally everywhere must be haunted if you believe in ghosts. And what about the animals? We're only a more intelligent species on this planet....are the ghosts of billions and billions of ants, birds, fish etc wandering around.

Honestly it's absolute nonsense

Passerillage · 18/04/2023 14:40

There’s a flat in my very expensive town that will not sell, even though it’s going for a song and is a desirable location because a woman was brutally murdered there a few years ago and I guess potential buyers find out. I have a notification set up for the postcode in Rightmove and it keeps on coming on & off the market with tiny price changes to try to bump it. Surprised the owners don’t rent or Airbnb it.

I think if you were concerned, the agent will not have been told by the vendor about the clanking chains at midnight, but you can look at the sales history and see if it has been sold multiple times in recent years or has been on the market for a weirdly long time. Might flag up other, more tangible, problems too.

YesitsBess · 18/04/2023 14:43

Ilovetolurk · 18/04/2023 14:36

I love this. I’ve just sold a house with a haunted cellar and its own phantom cat actually in the cellar. Are you my buyers Grin

No, but I am considering becoming a haunted house estate agent because of this thread.

So you would be a C/D rating on the WPC (woo performance certificate). 🐈

purplepencilcase · 18/04/2023 14:44

If I'm viewing a probate sale, I always ask if the vendor died in the property!

Ilovetolurk · 18/04/2023 14:45

YesitsBess · 18/04/2023 14:43

No, but I am considering becoming a haunted house estate agent because of this thread.

So you would be a C/D rating on the WPC (woo performance certificate). 🐈

Now if I could just have persuaded the cat to leave, I could’ve rented it out in 2025

MouthfulofMidwinter · 18/04/2023 14:45

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 18/04/2023 14:32

You can totally ask but there are rules. The rules are:-

  1. you can only ask this if the house is old enough - asking in a house that is 200 years old if very different than asking in a house that was built in 1985; as a general rule I'd say at least 100 years.

  2. You ask the owners not the estate agents

  3. ask AFTER asking how long they've lived there and why they're moving and if they get on with the neighbours

  4. Assuming they've lived there a decent while and or get on with the neighbours ask if there is any interesting history? Did anyone notable live there or any notable events or grisly deaths? Are any stories of ghosts / spooky happenings. at the property?. Ask in an interested but not too interested tone of voice.

Don't be surprised if you're met with a blank look and "err no, not really" but the key is asking in such a way that they would tell you if there were any stories.

Ghost stories usually add value you understand - the British can be weird like that

I think you're being a tad unrealistic if you expect the vendor to take a deep breath and blurt that they're desperate to sell because of the uneasy spirits from the old burial ground under the patio and the vicious feud with Doris and Boris next door, and yes, lots of really fab stories about Aleister Crowley getting up ton all sorts with a former owner, and you can still see the pentangles if you take up the bedroom carpet, and oh yes, did we mention the notorious murder that took place in the downstairs loo, which sometimes shrieks like a banshee on full moons etc.

Catspyjamas17 · 18/04/2023 14:45

OK. I have to say I did watch Most Haunted and the like at the time and have always loved a ghost story and that probably didn't help. In fact one time when I was watching MH in that house, probably the weirdest thing that happened there, a voice sounding like it was coming from the television set but not connected with the programme said "Cathy?" I looked around and probably pulled a face but assumed it was interference or some kind of broadcast error - it sounded like when the continuity announcer forgets to turn off the microphone, though this was right in the middle of the programme. I was on my own in the room but jumped up to tell DH who was in the kitchen.

I had sleep paralysis, nightmares and lucid dreams much more frequently back then. The house was built in 1893 and it was a little damp, cold and draughty (in need of new windows which we couldn't afford at the time). Also probably had dodgy wiring. Rather frequently the landing or hall light switches wouldn't work then would suddenly come on by themselves later or you'd switch the hall light on and the landing light would go off, that kind of thing. I used to have dreams where I was in a spooky house and couldn't switch the light on. Then I'd wake up needing a wee, go onto the landing (the only bathroom was downstairs, through the kitchen) and pray that the light switch would work. I remember one time it didn't and I said, exasperated and tired "OH COME ON!" and the light popped on. Another time (after reading Harry Potter/Lord of the Rings, almost certainly) I dreamt that there was a dementor/ring wraith in my kitchen. I actually laughed out loud and woke up as even in the dream it seemed preposterous. Still, it wasn't that much fun going downstairs for a wee straight afterwards.

Another time, in the daytime, I was drying pots in the kitchen and it felt like someone tapped me on the shoulder. There was no-one there and I put it down to a muscular twitch (though it really did feel like a single finger tapping me, like someone trying to get your attention, about to say "Excuse me, but...").

I stumbled on the stairs so many times, fortunately with no serious effect, though I did slip and bump down on my bottom a couple of steps when I was pregnant with DD1 and that made me cry (as I thought I'd hurt DD1 also). I think they were just steep/dangerous stairs and also went round the corner at the top. Though in my current house I've probably slipped twice in 16 years (touch wood etc) and it was more like several times a year in the other place.

It was also a mid-terrace and you could hear neighbours coming in next door and running up the steps. Sometimes you couldn't tell which door had been opened and it sounded like someone had come in when it was actually next door. One time though I was so absolutely sure DH had come come, I ran downstairs (without falling) and into the living room (as he would usually come in and talk to/cuddle the cat before saying hello to me 😺 ) saying "Hi!" but of course no-one was there.

Probably after that time I started saying "Goodbye!" to the house when I was the last to leave (ostensibly the cat, but I was really talking to the house) and "Hello!" when I came in again and was first to arrive. It just felt a lot of the time like there was someone else there. I looked up the house in the 1901 census - a LOT of people lived there all at once - three different generations, probably about 10-12 people and I really couldn't work out what the sleeping arrangements would have been! One was about my age at the time and gave her occupation as "laundress". After then I used to imagine her standing there marvelling at the washing machine and being very pleased when there was a line of washing blowing in the sunshine. And cross when we left a pile of crumpled clean clothes dumped in the spare room, as we used to do when we were busy and couldn't be arsed, back then!

We initially had two cats but one died, she was 19, a good age, but I was very upset to lose her as I'd had her since I was 8. What was actually quite comforting was when I used to be half awake (probably asleep and dreaming I was waking up) and feel her sitting on me and purring after she died- and it wasn't the other cat. Another time I was in the bathroom with the door closed and I could hear her walking about in the kitchen - her claws used to get very long when she was old and not going outdoors as much and we used to have to ask the vet to trim them, so she made a distinctive tapping sound. Again it was definitely not the other cat as his claws were naturally shorter and he was a bit younger. There was nothing there when I came into the kitchen but it felt comforting that I thought I'd heard her.

The only thing that DH experienced also was noises downstairs one night. I thought when I heard them from my bed that there was someone downstairs- it sounded like a couple of people having a scuffle and knocking into furniture. DH got up and could hear it too (though it was not quite as loud as it seemed initially). I put the hall light on from the landing (it worked that time!) and shouted "Oi!" or something similar and it seemed to go quiet. We both went downstairs - there was no-one there and nothing amiss. DH said it had probably been foxes in the back yard or noises from next door but when we were stood on the landing it really did sound like it was coming from inside the house.

I hadn't told my mum about any of this, but one time when we hadn't been there long she was going to house sit for us but was really sure she did not want to be in that house on her own overnight- I think my dad came up as well in the end. Nothing odd happened but they found it a bit spooky and cold.

Same with DH, nothing happened to him (or if it did, he didn't tell me) but he did agree it was spooky, draughty and damp.

Our current house isn't spooky at all. My DM lives with us now and is absolutely fine being in the house on her own!

Comedycook · 18/04/2023 14:47

purplepencilcase · 18/04/2023 14:44

If I'm viewing a probate sale, I always ask if the vendor died in the property!

Why? I can see why a murder might put you off. I wouldn't want to live somewhere where a brutal crime had been committed...but, a straight forward death? Why would that bother you? My grandma, father and uncle all died at home of illness or old age. All their properties have been sold. Unless you buy a new build, I'd imagine most properties have seen a death occur.

I find it very childish... we're all going to die at some point and in some place. Grow up.

YesitsBess · 18/04/2023 14:48

Ilovetolurk · 18/04/2023 14:45

Now if I could just have persuaded the cat to leave, I could’ve rented it out in 2025

You could have used some of the phantom fish mentioned by PP. 🐟

Side question: do phantom cats get as inconveniently underfoot as normal cats?

YesitsBess · 18/04/2023 14:51

Comedycook · 18/04/2023 14:47

Why? I can see why a murder might put you off. I wouldn't want to live somewhere where a brutal crime had been committed...but, a straight forward death? Why would that bother you? My grandma, father and uncle all died at home of illness or old age. All their properties have been sold. Unless you buy a new build, I'd imagine most properties have seen a death occur.

I find it very childish... we're all going to die at some point and in some place. Grow up.

They didn't say it would put them off. They said they asked!

Excellent negotiation if you ask me. A lot of people would be put off by that and you can cheeky up your offer.

Sounds pretty grown-up from where I'm sitting. 😁

WhatHoMarjorie · 18/04/2023 14:52

There’s a flat in my very expensive town that will not sell, even though it’s going for a song and is a desirable location because a woman was brutally murdered there a few years ago and I guess potential buyers find out.

If you're unbothered by such things you could nab yourself a bargain. I wouldn't be one of those people though. I remember reading about Dennis Nilsen's flat and how it gets very little interest when it goes up for sale and inevitably sells for way below the average price for the area. I just couldn't live somewhere where such horrific violence had occurred. (plus you'd get true crime weirdos knocking on the door wanting to have a look).

Catspyjamas17 · 18/04/2023 14:52

YesitsBess · 18/04/2023 14:07

😄

Brilliant.

Trinity65 · 18/04/2023 14:54

Comedycook · 18/04/2023 14:47

Why? I can see why a murder might put you off. I wouldn't want to live somewhere where a brutal crime had been committed...but, a straight forward death? Why would that bother you? My grandma, father and uncle all died at home of illness or old age. All their properties have been sold. Unless you buy a new build, I'd imagine most properties have seen a death occur.

I find it very childish... we're all going to die at some point and in some place. Grow up.

Or a suicide

When I was born my Parents had the downstairs of a house, two up two down they called them.
Anyway I was literally months old when they got the keys to this two bedroom property. There was a room for Me but as soon as He walked into it my Dad said "She is not sleeping in here, ever" and that was that, We moved 3 years later though and I got my own bedroom in the new maisonette.
Turns out that the then old lady who lived upstairs, her husband had committed suicide in that room. Perhaps it was vibes that Dad picked up but I get that from certain houses and flats. Just not good vibes.

LumpySpaceGoddess · 18/04/2023 14:55

MavisMcMinty · 18/04/2023 13:47

There’s a pub in Rackenford (Devon) reputed to be haunted. Dogs apparently freak out in one particular spot, I’m tempted to take my two along, out of curiosity.

Oh I live in Devon, going to save this for a day trip! 😂

Catspyjamas17 · 18/04/2023 14:56

Ilovetolurk · 18/04/2023 14:36

I love this. I’ve just sold a house with a haunted cellar and its own phantom cat actually in the cellar. Are you my buyers Grin

Lovely. Current house is an A but last one was a D.

Sleepyandconfused · 18/04/2023 14:56

An estate agent wouldn’t even know! 😂 But ask if it makes you feel better!

TomatoSandwiches · 18/04/2023 14:56

PuttingDownRoots · 18/04/2023 14:04

My housemates think our house is haunted.

Lived here 200 years and never noticed anything myself.

😂

LumpySpaceGoddess · 18/04/2023 14:58

OP I’ve not tried it myself but I have a friend who swears by smudging to expel bad energy, she is quite spiritual. It could be something for you to try.

SleepHygieneHelp · 18/04/2023 14:59

Bluegrass · 18/04/2023 13:24

Would you expect someone trying to sell their property to say “why yes, since you ask I’m disturbed each night at precisely 1am by the spectre of a disembowelled monk whose cold fetid breath whispers promises of eternal damnation. Shall we pop upstairs to look at the en suite we’ve just had done?”

😂😂😂

StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar · 18/04/2023 15:01

I think they'll probs regard you as bonkers. 😂

Eyesopenwideawake · 18/04/2023 15:01

pineapple7peach · 18/04/2023 13:28

Thank you for your compassionate reply ❤ I may do as this is something that's affected my life quite a bit. I tried to tackle it in therapy last year but I wasn't consistent enough with it

Try remedial hypnosis. Gets to the parts other therapies can't 😁

Catspyjamas17 · 18/04/2023 15:02

One thing that is odd in my house though is the mystery of the disappearing hair brushes. Usually we have at least one each but we can very quickly get down to one shared brush, or none at all. Which can also cause yelling and slamming doors. Probably something to do with teenage DDs. That will serve as the explanation at least until we find the portal to a parallel universe, one full of hair brushes and single socks.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 18/04/2023 15:03

I've experienced a few ghosts, I believe, in our old house (dating from 1600s), in a pub we stayed at in Avebury, and in my mum's flat where I stayed when she was in hospital. In her flat I hated the feeling in the bedroom so much that on the second night I forced myself to stay awake and sat up all night in the front room. When I told her, she said she'd seen a man walk through the bedroom wall. She'd always disliked that flat but had never told anyone why.
Anyway, I now live in a 1980s house and have none of those feelings whatsoever here. I suggest, OP, that you go to the house viewings and try to be aware with your senses switched on and see how you feel. Having said that, it could be something like bad drains or poor lighting that would subconsciously put you off. I don't think you'd get any joy from the estate agent. Best to go for a modern property, maybe.

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