Illegal chinese "police stations"

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Who does this? Tries to set up secret police stations in other countries to try and control ex pats? This is insanity. How does anyone think they will get away with it? These links are for information of such "police stations" in USA and Netherlands, but I wonder how many others are yet to be uncovered

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65305415

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0d9p822

The CCP consider all ethnic Chinese people to be under their jurisdiction, doesn’t matter if they hold another passport. They don’t recognise the authority of any ‘foreign’ power and never have done. It’s not a surprise to anyone who knows anything about the PRC.

Not really surprising, do you really think other countries, including the UK/US, don't keep an eye on their citizens overseas and "police" them when they feel they need to?

yes, I really think they don't!

The UK govt and border forces have zero clue who is currently in the UK so I highly doubt that they have any clue what most of their citizens are doing while abroad. The US undoubtedly has the ability but I highly doubt they monitor all of their citizens abroad. The Chinese govt on the other hand, is secretive, authoritarian and happy to use torture and genocide on its own citizens. Why do you want to minimise this news story?

Students have reported similar sorts of behaviour in recent years at some Unis.

It’s very much a problem.

They can't police us in this country, how are they policing us abroad?

It's scary to think that the CCP got away with this so far.

They are also getting away with building concentration camps, kidnap, forced sterilisation, rape and genocide of Uyghur people in Xinjiang, right now.

There are discussions within the UK government about this but no one in the general population really seems to care.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-59595952

There are probably similar set ups in the UK.

Look at that recent event where a Chinese man was dragged from a public street onto Chinese embassy land and beaten. A UK police officer had to go onto the embassy land (potentially illegally) to rescue him.

Yes I heard about this a while ago. There’s a bunch in the Uk apparently. Funny how no one in the Uk seems particularly worked up about the Chinese government - no mass protests down Kensington High St etc unlike the obsession with some other tiny countries on other continents 🤔

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The U.K. really doesn't, you don't even have to register when living overseas (its voluntary to do so and is helpful with natural disasters, wars breaking out etc.)

The USA is similarly laid back about their citizens except trying to tax them overseas!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgndy37n16o.amp

Sorry meant to post the headline too!

Chinese 'police station' in Dublin ordered to shut

I think China control a lot of countries debt so have power that way. (Ie they leant a lot of nations including western nations large amounts of money)

The USA is similarly laid back about their citizens except trying to tax them overseas!

It may sound a bit tinfoil hat, but a lot of Americans believe that this has a lot less to do with actual tax receipts as it does enabling the US government to monitor its citizens overseas.

Well that's naive. The UK has extradition treaties with over 100 countries, as do the US. If you do something the US/UK don't like, even if living overseas/a foreign national, they can (and do) come after you.

It's already happened, hasn't it ? The Chinese consulate in Manchester tried to kidnap a protestor and it was only the fact that the idiots at GMP hadn't got the memo (I bet they have now) that meant their officers went and rescued him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_at_the_Consulate_General_of_China,_Manchester

Given how needy the UK has become of late and the lack of any moral compass in our own leaders, I have zero confidence that we will be able to resist this innovation. Which given we are dealing with a country whose leader is upset at being compared to Winnie the Pooh, isn't a great feeling.

Incidentally I notice the US acted as they have laws against this sort of thing. I wonder if the UK does ? I mean proper laws that can be quoted, not some flimflam from whoever is on press duty today.

I didn't say all citizens, I highly doubt the Chinese government have trackers on the 5.4million Chinese diaspora in the US but they'll no doubt be scanning and surveying for individuals who pique their intrest. The same way SIS, SS, GCHQ, DI, NCA, etc, all work together to keep tabs on what British nationals of intrest are up to whether home or abroad.

Remind me how many people did the US help kill in their various "operations" across the world? How many were dissappear to black sites and "interrogated" or held for years without charge?

I want to minimise it because its a non-story. There's been a notable increase in the amount of anti China rhetoric coming out of the West recently, and most of it is solely designed to stir up division and distract people from western governments failure.

Why is this thread already degenerating into whateraboutery?

("Never mind this terrible thing that you started a thread about, what about this other (hypothetical, unproven) terrible thing??")

If you want to discuss UK authoritarianism, maybe start another thread about that.

This one is about the abuse of Chinese people by their government.

Ha. The British Embassy where I live couldn't be more oblivious to Brits overseas. I have yet to work out what they actually DO, because you can't actually go in in person and speak to them about anything whatsoever, they don't answer the phone, don't hold events or get involved in Brits' stuff in any way whatsoever, and emailing them just results in getting a standard copy-and-paste reply saying "We don't handle [insert literally every service an Embassy could be expected to provide]. Please take care of it yourself/read our website again/fuck off and die." Things like passports you do yourself with online forms and posting stuff to the relevant offices in the UK.

If you break a uk law, surely they should come after you. I doubt a judge is going to sign an extradition warrant and it'll be upheld just because the uk govt doesn't like something.

I doubt a judge is going to sign an extradition warrant and it'll be upheld just because the uk govt doesn't like something.

Have you seen the US-UK extradition treaty ? All we need is a nod from a US judge and that's it. You is off to the land of the free my friend.

The treaty has been claimed to be one-sided[3] because it allows the US to demand extradition of British citizens and other nationals for offences committed against US law, even though the alleged offence may have been committed in the UK by a person living and working in the UK (see for example the NatWest Three), and there being no reciprocal right; and issues about the level of proof required to extradite from the UK to the US versus from the US to the UK.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK%E2%80%93US_extradition_treaty_of_2003

The anti-china rhetoric is because Xi and the CCP are violent thugs who have a frightening amount of control over way too many countries finances. Because they steal from, spy on and attempt to destabilise the west. Because they have designs on other sovereign nations that they think should be theirs. Because they are allies of such delightful people as Putin and Kim Jong Un. Is that enough for your genocide-apologist mind?

Yeah there's always one who defends brutal dictators and actually thinks they are right to do so. Weird really.

Did you know that the CCP forces women in Xinjiang to live with and sometimes sleep with Han Chinese civil servants, after their own husbands have been taken to concentration camps? It's a public government programme.

That they have QR codes on their front doors so any government official can check immediately who they are, when they pray, whether they drink alcohol and more.

That the kids have been kidnapped and put in government run boarding schools where they are forced to study propaganda and banned from speaking their own language.

That Muslims in Xinjiang must install spyware on their phones so the CCP can track them at all times.

That the Chinese government has developed racially profiling facial recognition software and installed checkpoints to track their movements.

Women have been forcibly sterilised.

People who've escaped have been kidnapped aboard and taken to China and put into camps.

It's a living nightmare for the Uyghur people right now.

According to this there are at least 3 of these "Police Stations" in the UK already -

https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-police-china-london-glasgow-investigating-unacceptable-chinese-police-stations-in-britain/#:~:text=The%20Chinese%20government%20has%20reportedly,including%20Ireland%20and%20the%20Netherlands.