Illegal chinese "police stations"

[Nimbostratus100]

Who does this? Tries to set up secret police stations in other countries to try and control ex pats? This is insanity. How does anyone think they will get away with it? These links are for information of such "police stations" in USA and Netherlands, but I wonder how many others are yet to be uncovered

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65305415

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0d9p822

On a global scale, if we (i.e. the UK and other supposed democracies) don't ensure the bully boy tactics of the Chinese fail at every step, then in the long run our own leaders will think that's alright then.

The Chinese govts actions abroad and at home are indefensible. They really are vile :(

@greenteafiend

The British Embassy where I live couldn't be more oblivious to Brits overseas. I have yet to work out what they actually DO, because you can't actually go in in person and speak to them about anything whatsoever, they don't answer the phone, don't hold events or get involved in Brits' stuff in any way whatsoever,

Very very much our experience as well, they seem to exist pretty much exclusively to try and facilitate diplomatic, business and trade links...they don't give a stuff about Brits in country outside of that.

The only embassy staff get close to anything that could be described as policing is if they get called in because somebody has fallen foul of the local cops...

The Chinese system sounds like something much more intrusive and sinister.

I want to minimise it because its a non-story. There's been a notable increase in the amount of anti China rhetoric coming out of the West recently, and most of it is solely designed to stir up division and distract people from western governments failure.

If you travelled round the world and saw their influence and how they are building up military bases, I hope you'd be less quick to minimise stories of Chinese control and brutality spreading outside the PRC. If the Chinese themselves actually had full rights, they'd be at the forefront of speaking about Chinese govt failure. Instead, critics are just hauled away to gaol.
But yes, let's keep quiet about all that so we can talk about Sunak's wife's investment in Koru Kids.

There is also am emerging trend of Chinese activists conducting targeted harassment campaigns against "undesirables" in the UK and US

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/04/16/china-accused-targeting-mps-families-intimidation-campaign/

It isn't just the Chinese though is it, a number of religions seem to think they can just impose their own 'laws'. The UK is a soft touch, its under the guise of inclusion and cultural acceptance.

Meanwhile

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65314605

there is a huge difference between going through formal, legal channels, and setting up your own illegal police station! and trying to impose your own laws secretly in another state

It's also worth having a look into the belt and road policy which is designed to basically make china a soft power all round the world. Once they control huge amounts of the infrastructure worldwide through things like loans to build it they'll have a lot more influence to do things like this. Pick a place that's tactically important and look at the developments recently. Where has the money come from? For instance they own a huge amount of the places mining the key ingredients for batteries and they have a huge amount of influence over the Panama canal that huge amounts of imports worldwide go through now the US have stepped back. The more you look the worse it gets.

Since we're on the topic of what the Chinese government do with this power, the same CCP in charge now where responsible for things like the great leap forward which killed over 45million of their own people (conservative estimate, likely to be much higher). They cut back on the number of concentration camps a couple of decades ago to about 10% of the original number of camps but we've all seen the expansion work to those so I've no idea if the number of people reduced. Where do you think the cheap Chinese labour comes from? Who do you think was making the made in china things like masks and COVID tests when their citizens were locked down?

It's terrifying to see the growth of this. I wouldn't be surprised if the boundary pushing like this doesn't lead to WW3.

@Thebestwaytoscareatory

"Nimbostratus100
yes, I really think they don't!

Well that's naive. The UK has extradition treaties with over 100 countries, as do the US. If you do something the US/UK don't like, even if living overseas/a foreign national, they can (and do) come after you"

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Well that's just factually incorrect.

An extradition treaty requires that a country seeking extradition has to be able to show that: The relevant crime is sufficiently serious. There exists a prima facie case against the individual sought. The event in question qualifies as a crime in both countries.

Crimes that are exceptions to extradition are pure political offences include crimes such as treason, espionage, and sedition. In most cases, there is no duty to extradite for pure political offences, and there is agreement that the political offence exception applies to these offences.

https://www.reddit.com/r/glasgow/comments/ye0f99/loong_fung_restaurant_is_a_chinese_police_station/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

There's one in Glasgow's Loon Fung restaurant.
Scary to think about.

@Thebestwaytoscareatory

"Remind me how many people did the US help kill in their various "operations" across the world? How many were dissappear to black sites and "interrogated" or held for years without charge?"

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This comment really intrigued me. You see most people around the world want to think well of themselves and of the country they live in. Except that is in the West where there is a behaviour of self criticism, self distrust and effectively self abuse that is only made possible through liberal political values that allow freedom of speech.

A behaviour that countries outside the West (in particular China) are happy to encourage for their own benefit.

Returning to your post, you are of course through the freedom of speech in a western society allowed to criticise actions taken by western governments. A freedom of speech that incidentally doesn't exist in China.

In any event the numbers of detainees that the US may or may not have killed in their "black ops" certainly pales into insignificance compared to the 30 million deaths in the Chinese cultural revolution under Mao, which is more than Hitler or Stalin.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chinese-secret-police-stations-uk-b2322714.html