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Sad over historical deaths?

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Personyouneedisnannymcphee · 10/04/2023 18:35

Obviously death happens every day and there are many recent, very sad deaths. But some historical ones actually make me ache a little when I think about them I think due to the details and historical background of them more so than sometimes things I hear on the news. Some of these being:

-the Romanov children. Of course the Tsar was horrific but how they died thinking they were going to safety and then didn’t get killed by bullets as jewels in their clothes protected them so they were finished with bayonets.

-Anne Boylyn’s death because the details of her ladies not letting the men touch her afterwards for fears they’d violate her headless body.

AIBU for sometimes being incredibly sad over these people I never knew or do you have your own historical death that makes your stomach drop when you think of it?

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FoxFeatures · 10/04/2023 22:40

Istvan Reiner. His beautiful smile. It breaks my heart.

He was one of millions killed by the nazis, but he is the personification of innocence.

ronconcoke · 10/04/2023 22:46

Anne Frank. Imagine being Otto Frank, surviving the war and holocaust and going back to Amsterdam to find out that both his daughters and his wife were dead.

WingingItSince1973 · 10/04/2023 22:53

Retrievemysanity · 10/04/2023 21:37

I’m from Derbyshire and the deaths from the plague in the village of Eyam always got me as a child especially the vicar’s wife who nearly made it through.

I visited there last year and yes it's terribly sad what happened.

Anne Frank for me. The conditions she had to live in hiding and then her imprisonment and death shortly before the war ended. We have been to the house she hid in in Amsterdam and I think how on earth could my family fare in conditions like that. Having to be absolutely silent most of the time. Would be so hard for little children. I've read her diary and seen rare footage of her leaning out of a window watching a bridal party go by absolutely having no idea the horror to come x

RumNotRun · 10/04/2023 22:54

The SS Eastland was a heartbreaking tragedy. More people died than when the Titanic sank but it's relatively unheard of. I watched a YouTube video by AskAMortician and she goes into detail about some of the individuals.

LakeTiticaca · 10/04/2023 23:00

The Pendle Witches x

SingingSands · 10/04/2023 23:09

Not a famous death, but my dad lost a cousin in the Ibrox disaster in 1971. I remember my dad reminiscing about it and his voice cracking when he said "he was just a wee boy watching a football match".

Ineedwinenow · 10/04/2023 23:12

I’m a member of a holocaust memorial page on social media and every day or two they put a picture up of those who perished and what little they knew of their lives !

For some reason the holocaust deaths and what they did to men, women and children, haunts me and even though I’m not Jewish or know anyone who had relatives go through that period of time, my heart breaks every time the group put a new photograph up or another documentary is shown on TV

Children who died through neglect (any era) really affects me too, I don’t have children but knowing they had their lives cruelly taken away is also heartbreaking!

awakeandanxiouss · 10/04/2023 23:13

The Iolaire tragedy. The royal yacht was carrying men home from WW1 when it sank in Stornaway harbour on 1st January 1919, killing over 200 men. I find it terribly sad that these poor men could see their home island after surviving years at war but never quite made it. It’s unimaginable. The island lost nearly an entire generation of men that day and the impact it had on these communities was catastrophic.

awakeandanxiouss · 10/04/2023 23:14

SingingSands · 10/04/2023 23:09

Not a famous death, but my dad lost a cousin in the Ibrox disaster in 1971. I remember my dad reminiscing about it and his voice cracking when he said "he was just a wee boy watching a football match".

😭 that is heartbreaking.

RaininSummer · 10/04/2023 23:15

Not really historical but the death of Kirsty McColl always upsets me.

Dunnoburt · 10/04/2023 23:15

The Holocaust. Find it harrowing.... the pictures of happy families in the spring blossom thinking they were going for a shower. Just makes me so sad.

kagerou · 10/04/2023 23:16

Greenfinch7 · 10/04/2023 22:31

A little girl of about 6 or 7 who shared a hospital room with my mother back in 1931. She was shot by someone who had a feud with her family (Arkansas). She threw herself in front of her dad and took a bullet for him. My granny made my mother give the little girl her new dress so she had something pretty to be buried in. Always makes me cry when remember her, and when I think that I am probably the last person who will remember that little girl, and I don't even know her name.

This bought real tears to my eyes , what a brave little girl, so sad that she will never be known

PousseyNotMoira · 10/04/2023 23:19

Emmett Till.

Mamai90 · 10/04/2023 23:19

James Bulger. I can read and watch some dark true life stuff but anything on this beautiful little boy I avoid. It makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I just can't even begin to imagine what his family has suffered.

RocketIceLollie · 10/04/2023 23:20

For some reason the death scene from the film from the Stoning of Sorya M came on my tiktok feed last night. Horrific scene. Then I googled about and to see she was actually innocent. Was on my mind today.

PuttingDownRoots · 10/04/2023 23:21

The story of the Kindertransport always gets me.
The children who were saved by it, but never saw their families again.
And the children who were left behind to the horror that followed.

MrsMoastyToasty · 10/04/2023 23:22

The torpedoing of the SS City of Benares during World War 2, with 258 lives lost including 77 children who were being evacuated to Canada.

SammyScrounge · 10/04/2023 23:24

6namechang3 · 10/04/2023 18:46

I think the Romanov children and Anne Boleyn had incredibly privileged lives compared to contemporary peasants. Children would regularly starve to death in both tudor England or czarist Russia. I think we feel a connection because we know their personal stories rather their circumstances being particularly horrific.

I disagree about their deaths not being particularly horrible. The Romanov murders in that hellish basement were the stuff of nightmares.

EilonwyWithRedGoldHair · 10/04/2023 23:25

Aberfan.
Senghenydd explosion.

The Holocaust. Particularly when you see pictures of the children.

Really there's too many to mention.

MMBaranova · 10/04/2023 23:28

And the not so famous.

In the lighter months I go walking two or three times in the countryside with a longstanding friend. Our thing is to not revisit the same place. There's often a moment when we are walking through a church graveyard and I notice a heart-breaking epitaph or the headstone of a child who never grew to go through the span of life that so many of us enjoy. Sometimes these seem old and neglected and I wonder if anyone remembers them.

Escapefromhell · 10/04/2023 23:29

Wilfred Owen

Dora Carrington

Virginia Woolfe

The women buried in Crossbones graveyard.

user4567890754 · 10/04/2023 23:31

LizzieVereker · 10/04/2023 21:40

The women that Jack the Ripper murdered. Their deaths, and the subsequent way they have become almost novelty caricatures is horrendous. “The Five” by Hallie Rubenhold should be compulsory reading because it illustrates not just what happened to those women but what happens to all women in poverty.

Agreed - a fantastic book. Also, in the same vein, a recent BBC podcast about the victims of Bible John. They were treated so badly by the police and the press of the time. I felt the BBC journalist picked up their bodies, put their clothes and their dignity back on. Particularly moving was a beautiful monologue from one of their children who spoke very poetically about the loss of his mother and how he cherished her.

NannyGythaOgg · 10/04/2023 23:31

Whilst I agree with all of the above. We are still allowing (forcing) tragic deaths on our loved ones by not allowing anyone to say 'Enough is enough, let me go'. Whether this be someone young(ish) who has a terminal illness or someone older who has repeatedly said that they do not want to live once unable to be independant. THIS will be the crime that the future looks back on

MasterBeth · 10/04/2023 23:32

Honestly, I find it hard to feel much about the deaths of people I will never know from long ago.

Peachy2005 · 10/04/2023 23:35

Titanic…and therefore refuse to ever watch the film.

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