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England is so expensive.

189 replies

Mooshamoo · 06/04/2023 20:47

I just flew over from Ireland to England for a couple of days.

Jesus everything is so expensive in England! I felt like I burned through money.

I thought Ireland was pricy enough, but England is way more expensive.

I've come home, looked at my bank account and cried a little haha.

For example I got a train in Ireland before I left. It was 14 euro.

I got a train for the same distance in England. It was 40 pounds. It didn't even travel that far. And the guy in the train station told me that this was the best deal ticket "it was off peak"

Everything in the UK supermarket was so pricy.

I was just a little shocked. How are you all coping with it

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Lollygaggle · 06/04/2023 21:58

Close family in Ireland say that for youngsters things like moving out from family home, getting married etc are happening much later than in U.K. because housing is even more unaffordable . Rents are higher than U.K. and although rates are cheaper you pay extra for things like bin collection .
My relatives who have moved back to Ireland also are finding groceries very expensive . Certainly visiting from U.K. although eating out is comparable the cost of a shop is definitely more expensive .

Justanotherlurker · 06/04/2023 22:02

AntikytheraMech · 06/04/2023 21:57

She is not talking about Australia or New Zealand, but United Kingdom.

They didn't even mention NZ, if you're going to try for a pithy twitter style response at least be factual.

But as you did bring NZ into it, then maybe you should look at the price rises around NZ/euro split...

Flora56 · 06/04/2023 22:03

Trains are expensive in England.

The prices you describe for food are not typical in Northern England (bog standard pubs and restaurants.)

Where did you stay? It may explain why it was expensive.

padsi1975 · 06/04/2023 22:06

We can all agree that everywhere is expensive. 😁
On a serious note, where is cheap with a good standard of living? I'd like to move!

ImAvingOops · 06/04/2023 22:07

Prices are getting ridiculously high for done things in Britain at the moment. Took DS to a cafe today and ordered 2 hot drinks, a toastie and a muffin -£16.85!!!
Sunday lunch for 4 with a couple of drinks was £145! It was basic too, not an all the trimmings type lunch.

Lamplit · 06/04/2023 22:11

Remember OP that most folk on MN earn £150k pa so nothing is ever expensive !

Eyesopenwideawake · 06/04/2023 22:17

@padsi1975 - you can get a 2 course meal (bread/olives, huge main course, dessert plus water, wine and coffee) at my local restaurant for €9. You don't have to eat for the rest of the day.

And go from Lisbon to Porto or Faro on the train for c€20, or €30 if you fancy first class!

A newly renovated 2 bed/2 bath detached house with big garden is about €150k in the central region.

The average wait to be seen in A&E is about 20 minutes and generic/prescription drugs are normally less than €5. Doctor appointments are a couple of days max (and free), if you wait more than 6 months for an op. the state will pay for a private hospital.

However the minimum wage here is about €800 a month so you'd need to be a digital nomad or have a good wodge of cash behind you. But the quality of life is just wonderful.

Prescottdanni123 · 06/04/2023 22:18

Where did you go in UK, just out of interest? Some areas are pricier than others but nowhere is particularly cheap here at the minute.

Justanotherlurker · 06/04/2023 22:19

padsi1975 · 06/04/2023 22:06

We can all agree that everywhere is expensive. 😁
On a serious note, where is cheap with a good standard of living? I'd like to move!

I think some people need to realise that rising prices is a global issue and it is not confined to the UK, standard of living is a nebulas comparative with many variables, most people asking this are wanting to cash out on ever rising house prices without any sense of irony.

Tealsofa · 06/04/2023 22:20

lipikar · 06/04/2023 20:48

You wouldn't like Sweden or Australia then OP

or Bermuda...

RosesInWater · 06/04/2023 22:23

Just for balance and this is in response to a pp who asked where was cheap with good SOL. I am back from inland Spain with my sister and we were in Seville, Cordoba and Granada.

Of course I don't know what the property or council taxes or utilities cost, but the train prices were tiny for the distances travelled. For example Granada to Malaga took two hours and was E22 one way. Seville to Cordoba was E17 and so on. I thought it was well affordable and not rip off. The trains were immaculate and bang on time. That's one thing.

Secondly, we had breakfast in our hotel of course, so had a small lunch and evening meal. I don't drink so had Coke zero or sparkling water and sis had two glasses of red. We never spent more than E40 per day on food and drinks. Gobsmacked, couldn't spend the money! Oh and the coffee was E1.50 in most places. That was for a simple cafe con leche, or latte in a small cup which was enough for us.

It is probably different on the coast, but these were tourist areas. Anyway I want to live there.

Justanotherlurker · 06/04/2023 22:23

Tealsofa · 06/04/2023 22:20

or Bermuda...

Or Canada...

Ihaveaskedyouthrice · 06/04/2023 22:34

I'm Irish, have alot of family in England and used travel over quite a bit. Groceries were always significantly cheaper there than in Ireland and judging by the threads where people talk about doing a grocery shop for £100 a week they still are. We're a family of 5 and groceries cost at least €200 a week. There's a particular Easter egg that I was looking for this week and I did an online search. In the UK It was coming up as £4.50 in Sainsbury, £4.49 in Lidl but in Ireland I had to pay €12.50 😲😲(for a smarties dinosaur egg, not anything fancy!!).

Justanotherlurker · 06/04/2023 22:39

RosesInWater · 06/04/2023 22:23

Just for balance and this is in response to a pp who asked where was cheap with good SOL. I am back from inland Spain with my sister and we were in Seville, Cordoba and Granada.

Of course I don't know what the property or council taxes or utilities cost, but the train prices were tiny for the distances travelled. For example Granada to Malaga took two hours and was E22 one way. Seville to Cordoba was E17 and so on. I thought it was well affordable and not rip off. The trains were immaculate and bang on time. That's one thing.

Secondly, we had breakfast in our hotel of course, so had a small lunch and evening meal. I don't drink so had Coke zero or sparkling water and sis had two glasses of red. We never spent more than E40 per day on food and drinks. Gobsmacked, couldn't spend the money! Oh and the coffee was E1.50 in most places. That was for a simple cafe con leche, or latte in a small cup which was enough for us.

It is probably different on the coast, but these were tourist areas. Anyway I want to live there.

This is a MN sprinkled middle class perspective of the much hated Union flag waving brexit supporter, there is reason why Spain has a high unemployment rate and why the 'secluded' areas are cheap. It is akin to telling people to go live in a UK costal town.

Mooshamoo · 06/04/2023 22:44

I went to Bristol.

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JarByTheDoor · 06/04/2023 22:49

I don't know whether England is more expensive than Ireland, though as someone living in England it certainly feels expensive to me.

But I think it's difficult to make a proper comparison unless you're maybe splitting your time between the two places fifty fifty (living in one place for a few years and then the other for a few years wouldn't work so well, as things would be changing in the other country over that time).

At home, over time you gradually get a feel for what's pricey, what's worthwhile, what's not worthwhile, whereabouts it's most worth putting in moneysaving efforts for a saving that's worth getting, and you perhaps almost subconsciously adapt the way you do things, what you choose to do, and even maybe the things you prefer, around that particular price landscape.

So maybe in a country where coffee shops are an expensive upscale kind of venue, but tea shops are low-cost places that ordinary people treat like community hubs, you'll develop a tea habit and rarely go for coffee. If you travel to a country where coffee shops are cheap, boisterous, friendly joints that anyone might go to, and tea shops are sophisticated, classy, and very dear, you'll make your habitual stop for a quick hot drink at a tea shop, and marvel at how expensive this other country is, when in reality, people like you who live in that country frequent the coffee shops instead. Or at home, you instinctively know that the bus is likely to be cheaper than the tram for short journeys, but don't realise that in the place you're going, the opposite is true. Or whatever. It's the general idea I'm talking about, not any real-life specifics.

The other thing is, in your home country you can glance over all the places in a town or city that sell burgers, and be able to make a good guess, without even having to think about how you've worked it out, at which places will be pricey and high quality, which ones will be pricey for some other reason (location, extreme pretension, lack of other options), which places are ones you should go to for a reasonably-priced but filling no-frills family lunch, which ones would get a cheap burger in your hand within 40 seconds wrapped in paper, and so on. But if it's somewhere you don't live full-time, you might miss the little cues that tell you you're walking into the kind of place that'll charge you 50% more because they've got more adjectives on the menu and write their prices in a wanky way (like "14.9" when the convention is "£14.90").

On top of that, when you're away from home you might be making more expensive choices than you would at home anyway. More meals and drinks out, more travel on more expensive types of public transport, treating yourself a bit more, that kind of thing.

Like I said, I don't know whether England is more expensive than Ireland, it's just that it can be tricky to tell from a short visit to somewhere you don't live full-time.

JimmyDurham · 06/04/2023 22:55

Mooshamoo · 06/04/2023 20:47

I just flew over from Ireland to England for a couple of days.

Jesus everything is so expensive in England! I felt like I burned through money.

I thought Ireland was pricy enough, but England is way more expensive.

I've come home, looked at my bank account and cried a little haha.

For example I got a train in Ireland before I left. It was 14 euro.

I got a train for the same distance in England. It was 40 pounds. It didn't even travel that far. And the guy in the train station told me that this was the best deal ticket "it was off peak"

Everything in the UK supermarket was so pricy.

I was just a little shocked. How are you all coping with it

Blimey, how things have changed! When we were in Dublin for a mini-break in the 90s it was eye-wateringly expensive. In fact we actually ran out of cash and I had to get the hotel to cash me a cheque.

EarringsandLipstick · 06/04/2023 22:56

Mooshamoo · 06/04/2023 21:37

I got a fright. I burned through a lot of money in England. I feel like you don't get much for your pound.

But if you're away somewhere, it'll always feel expensive!

You are not at home, so you're buying everything: coffees, lunches, dinners, which you wouldn't at home.

I live in Dublin. Many coffee places are averaging €4 for takeaway coffee now. Lunches are nuts - I never get lunch out, it's just mad money.

I really doubt there's much difference in these elements of cost of living, in a like-for-like situation. I've generally found the Uk to be cheaper in terms of snacks, lunches, coffees.

The train fares are one thing alright, I'm always shocked at the cost.

But COL in Dublin at the moment is insane.

EarringsandLipstick · 06/04/2023 22:57

You can definitely get main courses in the restaurants near me in Ireland for 12 euro.

Where are you OP?

In Dublin, definitely not (as standard). Very ordinary places like Milanos and so on, will charge at least €15 - €18.

EarringsandLipstick · 06/04/2023 22:58

I can't afford to go to England for a weekend anymore.

Like I said, going anywhere for a weekend will be more expensive than staying at home!

Mooshamoo · 06/04/2023 23:00

EarringsandLipstick · 06/04/2023 22:57

You can definitely get main courses in the restaurants near me in Ireland for 12 euro.

Where are you OP?

In Dublin, definitely not (as standard). Very ordinary places like Milanos and so on, will charge at least €15 - €18.

I don't live in Dublin. I'm in a large town in Ireland

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Mooshamoo · 06/04/2023 23:02

I'm sure I'd get a fright if I went to Dublin too. I tend to avoid Dublin, as all you ever hear on the news, is how expensive it is.

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Lastnamedidntstick · 06/04/2023 23:02

European city McDonald’s:

chicken sandwich meal
med fries
med coke.

€23

Mooshamoo · 06/04/2023 23:03

Lastnamedidntstick · 06/04/2023 23:02

European city McDonald’s:

chicken sandwich meal
med fries
med coke.

€23

Ouch.

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LunaTheCat · 06/04/2023 23:08

Don’t ever ever come to New Zealand…

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