Page 2 | To think this isn’t really justice? Only 20 years for murdering his pregnant wife and their unborn child by pushing her from Arthur’s Seat

BumblebeeWest · 2023-04-06T14:35:32+00:00

[[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11946273/Husband-29-guilty-murdering-pregnant-wife-pushing-Arthurs-Seat.html?ico=related-replace https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11946273/Husband-29-guilty-murdering-pregnant-wife-pushing-Arthurs-Seat.html]] I’m so disappointed and angry at this sentence. Fawziyah and her baby are *dead* ffs. She told him she was leaving him and he killed her. He pushed her to her death. She died slowly from her injuries. Her baby died with her. And he only gets two decades inside? How can this be right? How is that enough?

SueVineer · 06/04/2023 21:46

It’s a life sentence with a 20 year minimum tariff. Actually in the scheme of things that’s fairly high. As he has a life sentence he will be on licence for life so will always be able to be taken by in if he breaches licence.

he did an awful thing. RIP Fawziyah

MMMarmite · 06/04/2023 21:46

I don't really get all this hunger for harsh sentencing. I guess it satisfies an anger but I don't think it makes society any safer. It costs us about £50k a year to keep someone in prison. If after 20 years he is still a danger to society, absolutely he should remain in prison. But someone can be a completely different person after 20 years. £50k a year could be so much better used to prevent crime.

Florenz · 06/04/2023 21:50

It's ridiculous how much we pay to keep people in prison will all the luxuries they have. Prison should go back to what it used to be, confinement and punishment.

MMMarmite · 06/04/2023 21:54

PuttingOnTheKitsch · 06/04/2023 21:43

Murder for gain and murder with a gun both attract a 30 year minimum tariff, IIRC.

Murder with a bladed implement 25 years.

Whereas strangulation, unless there's evidence of a sadistic/sexual motive gets a lower tariff.

Two cases in my region. One involved a young man stabbing another young man. The other, a man choking his wife with chilli powder, strangling her and then making it look like a burglary.

Guess who got longer in prison?

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These rules do seem very arbitrary.

Newyearnewhome · 06/04/2023 21:57

PuttingOnTheKitsch · 06/04/2023 21:43

Murder for gain and murder with a gun both attract a 30 year minimum tariff, IIRC.

Murder with a bladed implement 25 years.

Whereas strangulation, unless there's evidence of a sadistic/sexual motive gets a lower tariff.

Two cases in my region. One involved a young man stabbing another young man. The other, a man choking his wife with chilli powder, strangling her and then making it look like a burglary.

Guess who got longer in prison?

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God, it’s depressing. I can guess who got the longer tariff…

the misogyny is just so blatant in the legal system.

IClaudine · 06/04/2023 22:02

MMMarmite · 06/04/2023 21:46

I don't really get all this hunger for harsh sentencing. I guess it satisfies an anger but I don't think it makes society any safer. It costs us about £50k a year to keep someone in prison. If after 20 years he is still a danger to society, absolutely he should remain in prison. But someone can be a completely different person after 20 years. £50k a year could be so much better used to prevent crime.

Maybe if he undergoes some intensive therapy whilst in prison he might change, but I really, really doubt that will happen. He is a danger to women.

IClaudine · 06/04/2023 22:06

I agree with you @MMMarmite, though.
More resources need to be put into stopping violence against women and children happening in the first place.

Newyearnewhome · 06/04/2023 22:19

@MMMarmite I used to think this, but I’m definitely becoming less tolerant as I get older.

And I don’t think it’s just because I’m narrow minded, grumpy and menopausal.

Im so sick of it. These men don’t change.

But I also think you’re wrong- It would make society safer if sentences were harsher for violence against women. Perhaps if these bullies realised that the entire system supported women and saw them as equal members of society they wouldn’t act with such impunity.

whodafucisalice · 06/04/2023 22:24

He should have got two life sentences, he ended two lives!

Cosmos123 · 06/04/2023 22:26

I hope he rots in jail and meets his match inside.

Vile man. Scum of the earth.

Hope his poor wife rests in peace and her family find strength to continue.

VestaTilley · 06/04/2023 22:35

YANBU. Scottish sentences are a joke. See also the rapist last week who wasn’t sent to prison.

cato40 · 06/04/2023 22:37

The mysoginy in the legal system.is shocking!

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 06/04/2023 23:15

Minimalme · 06/04/2023 18:53

This is what young women should be taught at school. Educate them on coercive control, warning signs, statistics, how to get away safely.

These violent men are hiding in plain sight. They are criminals who hide behind their victim.

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I completely agree but schools are too busy figuring out what a woman is so I think expecting them to speak to girls about male behaviour seems a bit of a stretch. They’d probably have parents moaning that it’s sexist or that their son isn’t part of the discussions

Precipice · 06/04/2023 23:39

Newyearnewhome · 06/04/2023 20:48

I’d like to see the law changed for domestic abuse crimes.

If you murder an intimate partner, your sentence should be double the recommended length for a ‘standard’ murder.

The coercive control and abuse should be factored in.

This would end up being very bad for women who kill their abusers and rapists. There are already issues with sentencing in such cases because courts don't accept a constant state of abuse as being something being defended against and impose a more time restricted and directed notion of self-defence.

Kinneddar · 06/04/2023 23:42

VestaTilley · 06/04/2023 22:35

YANBU. Scottish sentences are a joke. See also the rapist last week who wasn’t sent to prison.

Lets be honest the sentences in England aren't any better. It's not like the English courts consistently come down hard on murderers

PuttingOnTheKitsch · 06/04/2023 23:55

MMMarmite · 06/04/2023 21:46

I don't really get all this hunger for harsh sentencing. I guess it satisfies an anger but I don't think it makes society any safer. It costs us about £50k a year to keep someone in prison. If after 20 years he is still a danger to society, absolutely he should remain in prison. But someone can be a completely different person after 20 years. £50k a year could be so much better used to prevent crime.

Theodore Johnson got a light sentence. That worked out well.

Ditto Peter Tobin.

Men who are violent against women don't change.

Florenz · 07/04/2023 00:23

There should be no "can" or "could" when it comes to criminals. Why put innocent people's lives on the line on the basis of "can" or "could"?

Newyearnewhome · 07/04/2023 19:53

Precipice · 06/04/2023 23:39

This would end up being very bad for women who kill their abusers and rapists. There are already issues with sentencing in such cases because courts don't accept a constant state of abuse as being something being defended against and impose a more time restricted and directed notion of self-defence.

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Yes- that is an issue…And they’d never be able to just do it for male abusers ( even if they mostly commit these crimes)

But also, they need to address the ‘self defence’ issue for female victims.

But I’ve seen old cases from the 70’s where a man who murdered his wife was spared a jail sentence because he’d been subject to years of abuse ( he was the only witness to this abuse).

Just wish they’d use the same discretion for female victims…

catinboooots · 07/04/2023 20:05

It's 20 years before the chance of parole. It's not a 20 year sentence.