West Midlands child sex ring (disturbing content)

[StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar]

Was just reading the thread about how child murderers/rapists shouldn't ever be released and saw a link to the below story. I work in these towns and lived in the area for almost a decade so it was a bit of a shock I've not heard anything about it.

I'm always surprised by the prominence of women in trafficking rings, not least because you'd expect them to have more empathy with the victims. I'm guessing though many may have been trafficked themselves. A lot of people don't seem to know this but circa 60% of the traffickers in Eastern Europe and Asia are female nowadays according to the available research/data.

Eight women are among 21 members of horrific child sex ring convicted for 'abhorrent and cruel' abuse of kids no older than 12 over a decade - with 13 of the evil paedophiles jailed for a total of 145 years

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942601/Seven-women-jailed-total-58-years-paedophile-gang-21-guilty-abuse.html?ico=related-replace

I've answered that one too. I'm listening to a podcast about traffiking...I've come back to this post and mixed two stories up. I now see that this was NOT an international ring. I am still (midly) surprised at who's been convicted as I'd expected more of a mix...I've now asked myself why, therefore I've challenged myself.

I'm local and was unaware of this. Grim. Glad to see the police and councils dealt with it though, especially considering these councils aren't known for their social work.

@Quveas

The danger in making such assumptions is that it is based on who you catch, not who is guilty. After all, as someone else here observed, there's an assumed correlation with ethnicity in some peoples minds too. The fact that certain ethnic groups have been associated with some high profile cases led many to believe that grooming gangs amongst nice white people didn't exist. Clearly that is not the case. What makes it into our consciousness is what makes it into court - and what makes it into court is a disturbing tip of the iceberg.

Agreed, given the Home Office report from 2020, as referenced by pp in an article above, said that group-based offenders in the UK were "most commonly White".

Rishi and Suella must be chagrined by the timing of this case.

Wtf

@StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar

I'm surprised that all those charged seem to be 'locals', so native born British women....I'd have expected some 'foreigners' in the mix. Maybe non UK nationals have been charged elsewhere. I'm guessing this was an international collaboration

I know it's a ridiculous thing to say. @JudgeRudy is either Suella or a Daily Mail journo!

The part that has surprised me is the number of women complicit in the abuse. I do think that is unusual. I am guessing that there is a history of familial abuse.

@nepkoztarsasag yep! Thought the same

You're quoting half my responses. I have already said MANY posts back that I have got 2 things mixed up. I thought this was a trafiking thread (as l was multitasking - unsuccessfully) so was surprised that only British (sounding) people were arrested. Simple.
I also mentioned other things but you've not commented on those.
Your presumable insult re Suella has gone over my head.

Wheres Tommy Robinson now?
Hello Tommy, grooming gang over here!
They're white though, so may skew your narrative.

Wheres Tommy Robinson now?
Hello Tommy, grooming gang over here!

Isn't this a paedophile ring and not a grooming gang? Utterly repulsive either way, to say the least, but they operate differently.

Dreadful cases. Not as rare as we want to believe. How do we know they are women I wonder , given the current propensity for crime statistics to be skewed by the police and journalists? These days we just don’t know. Feel dread for the futures of those children who were rescued. It is not going to be happy ever after.

I once heard it said men go to prison for the things they do.

Women for the things they do for men

You think the women charged in this case may actually be transwomen? Don't you think that would be mentioned in the article linked in the first post?

The statistics used are extremely old and very incomplete.

A lot of these women appear to be married to the men prosecuted. So I am curious as to whether you think they must be trans because trans people are pedophiles or gay men are pedophiles?

Given the low numbers of trans people in the UK I'm pretty sure there wasnt some wierd cluster of middle aged, married, trans women all involved in a pedophile gang in the west midlands 🙄

Im all for discussion around safe spaces and whether transwormen should be in womens prisons etc but 1/10 for effort to shoehorn trans people into someone elses tragedy on the basis of nothing at all

My grandmother was part of a ring in Prenton in the 30s. It included a chandler near Charing Cross in Birkenhead, a sweetshop owner who 'loved' children, and the manager of a local football club. She procured her 2 daughters.

Sadly, it's nothing new.

This is the risk when demographic crime features make the news or are used by politicians to demonise certain groups. Analysis is a useful tool in criminal investigation, but a dangerous one for popular down-the-pub discussion.

I've heard of a few criminal slavery and sexual abuse groups over the years, but would hesitate to list them because it's a short jump from awareness to stereotyping and scapegoating. Braverman isn't as responsible. She's well up for a bit of hypocritical rabble-rousing, as are many Tories.

They're ugly so there must be some correlation between being ugly and ending up criminal paedo abusers.

Never mind that millions of not conventionally attractive women don't end up as criminal.paedo abusers.

Never mind they all appear to be married to the other perpetrators so being ugly didn't result in them being rejected in conventional relationships etc. as per the claim by that poster.

The same dumb assumptions made about Muslims...

I'm inclined to think the men in this family set up the status quo/dynamic and the women were too invested in them and brain washed efc. by them to challenge it. We see such dynamics on here almost every week. Maybe not actively abusing and pimping; but certainly turning a blind eye to child sex abuse, grooming etc.
Also appears to have given them an income stream, when they started pimping their own kids, grabs kids etc outside the family for money.

I have a bit of skin in the game with this case because I used to be a CP social worker, I am now a researcher in a related area and I suspect one of DP's relatives (who is involved in safeguarding & peadiatrics in the Black Country) has been involved in this case but has had to keep her counsel obviously.

I have done a bit of digging online and I suspect (but obviously don't know) that there is some consanguinity and intergenerational abuse at play here. There are some indicators of mixed gene birth defects and learning difficulties in about 3 of the perpetrators so I think that some of the second generation (in their late 30's and 40's) may have been victims at the hands of their parents and that passed down to their children. The perpetrators range from late 60's down to 19. Family cultures, scripts and traditions are very powerful and this case just shows you how powerful kin loyalty is.

It is so important we push back on this because this case shows how something as awful as child abuse can be part of a 'culture'. It's clear in this case children were abused and then became abusers, this was 'normal' for this family.

If the boundaries are eroded in schools - and they are being - then it enables people like this. And the message needs to be clear that child abuse is wrong in schools so that children do have the chance to see a different perspective and report what's going on. How can they if they're taught learning about porn and modelling / drawing genitals is considered a reasonable part of sex education.

For example, the School of Sexuality Education seem to be seeking to normalise sexual abuse by forcing poor girls in school to draw pictures of dick pics they may have received. https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/02/05/the-school-of-sexuality-education/

I still have not seen anything about this on the news.

Is it just me missing it? Or is it too unpalatable for mainstream?

It was all over the news. So yes, you missed it. In fact it was the headlining story on the BBC website for several hours before this thread started. I suspect if they had all been Asian then it might have been noticed quicker.

I think that’s where the lifetime restraining orders come into it.

This.

Those families include people who are not fit to stand trial, several generations of the same families. Somehow they have fallen into this pattern of incest and pandering.
Some of them are unable to be culpable. Some of them are probably barely culpable.

If this has been going on for several generations, even the adults who were culpable have had fewer opportunities to choose a different path. They may have had limited schooling.
They'd have to totally reject their entire extended family.

It's so obvious to us that we would be different. I fear we're speaking from privilege though.

It's despicable and appalling. Desperately sad. This should have been stopped a generation- or two- ago. Obviously they've somehow managed to reel in outsiders without getting exposed.