West Midlands child sex ring (disturbing content)

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Was just reading the thread about how child murderers/rapists shouldn't ever be released and saw a link to the below story. I work in these towns and lived in the area for almost a decade so it was a bit of a shock I've not heard anything about it.

I'm always surprised by the prominence of women in trafficking rings, not least because you'd expect them to have more empathy with the victims. I'm guessing though many may have been trafficked themselves. A lot of people don't seem to know this but circa 60% of the traffickers in Eastern Europe and Asia are female nowadays according to the available research/data.

Eight women are among 21 members of horrific child sex ring convicted for 'abhorrent and cruel' abuse of kids no older than 12 over a decade - with 13 of the evil paedophiles jailed for a total of 145 years

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11942601/Seven-women-jailed-total-58-years-paedophile-gang-21-guilty-abuse.html?ico=related-replace

But it's not a ridiculous thing to comment on if it's true. I think there could beca link. I didn't look at the men (as the post was about women) however I did make a general reference to ugly inmates.
I agree there are plenty of women who look this way but do not abuse, just as there are plenty of victims who do not abuse. I've not implied otherwise.
I'm confident there are psychological studies investigating the link between looks and criminology and as women are more judged more harshly the impact could be greater. Btw,there seems to be particular areas of crime where actually the opposite is true.
So to conclude we are actually in agreement about much, however just because my post irritated you it does not mean its ridiculous.

Thus is unbelievable arrested in 2017 just now come to court what a dreadful situation and yes it does look like three families

They look ugly but also cruel.

Poor children. I hope when they are out, they hunt them down and beat them up badly. No more than they deserve. Hats off to prison staff having to give these cretins 3 meals a day in prison and see to their welfare. I could not do it?

I think (and a quick google backs up) the link is stereotyping by others and not actual behaviour (although a 1980 study suggested self fulfilling should be looked at in light of this).

Apologies if I’m being dense, but is it implied the victims are their own children and grandchildren?

God that's awful.

Yes

It was, the police had to move them that night as the local reaction was so strong. The street is full of families with kids, they play out all the time and we all keep an eye on them so it was horrifying to think they were literally walking among us.

I'm sure a lady called Louise Allen wrote a book that the plot loosely follows this story-I remember reading it and thinking it couldn't have been true
How wrong was I?
I've just given it to the charity shop so unsure of the title
Fucking sick bitches-how anyone can do that to one child let alone lots is unthinkable
What will it take to stop them?

I hope the victims find the strength and are given the support to rebuild their lives and these evil bitches rot in hell

I did notice that the women are quite unattractive like someone observed upthread

While their attractiveness doesn't matter, and people also look generally not their best in mugshots, I wonder if there are other bad behaviours at play here for instance alcohol and drug abuse.

They're mugshots! They aren't supposed to look like fashion shoots. Dear God, by these standards most passport photo's make us look like the Bride of Dracula. Very few criminals, and especially those who successfully operate under the radar, "look like criminals". The whole point is not to stand out. People don't become abusers because of the way that they look.

And as for the "huge correlation between unemployment, low level crime, sexual abuse, low literacy levels and general mistrust of any authorities, so these people fly under the radar unless something triggers the investigation" that's falling very close to "I'm a thief because I grew up poor". I suspect that the truth, as with many things, lies more in line with "you are more likely to get caught if you are from a deprived / disadvantaged background" than if you come from a privileged one. The danger in making such assumptions is that it is based on who you catch, not who is guilty. After all, as someone else here observed, there's an assumed correlation with ethnicity in some peoples minds too. The fact that certain ethnic groups have been associated with some high profile cases led many to believe that grooming gangs amongst nice white people didn't exist. Clearly that is not the case. What makes it into our consciousness is what makes it into court - and what makes it into court is a disturbing tip of the iceberg.

I am surprised though at the amount of home grown talent so that's a challenge to my assumptions.

What do you mean @JudgeRudy?

@Issynohosbox

Are they all related? There's more than one surname. Did they invite other men to abuse the children? Or was it all amongst the family? The whole thing is awful.

I don't think the majority of them look especially weird. They just look like normal people to me.

I wonder how they managed to keep it all quiet tbh

Assume JudgeRudy was making the same observation as the Home Secretary....

But the Home Secretary is a racist liar.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/04/suella-braverman-grooming-gangs-child-seual-abuse-home-secretary-prejudice

I don't know any more than the details in the Express & Star link posted upthread tbh, it's been a total shock to everyone I've spoken to locally and no one seems to know anything other than what's been in the press. A lot of them were related though yes, and the rest seem to have been paying 'customers' 🤮

I think the press report was the house sealed off was used as a brothel what an awful situation @Issynohosbox (I love your user name) what a terrible shock for your community

I'm surprised that all those charged seem to be 'locals', so native born British women....I'd have expected some 'foreigners' in the mix. Maybe non UK nationals have been charged elsewhere. I'm guessing this was an international collaboration.

I am surprised that you're surprised that the people charged are all British. Why do you believe that a foreigner has to be involved in this????

It doesn't say anywhere on the news that this was an international pedophile ring.

Why did you think this was an international thing @JudgeRudy?

Urm why are you assuming if there is a paedophile ring that there must be 'foreigners' in the mix

You might want to challenge those assumptions of yours a bit harder

If not heard the stat that more women are involved in trafficking than men. Is that because women are better at gaining the trust of other women possibly? I’m assuming that the “customers” creating the “market” are mainly male?

I think this horrific case is an example of familial sex abuse. People don’t like to think about families doing this to their own children but it’s more common than people would like to think. Much like sibling abuse. It’s uncomfortable to think about. I guess it makes sense that abuse involving families would also involve women not just male perpetrators to a greater or lesser degree.

Wel if you read my first post that's exactly what I said

Because I didn't read it properly and am currently listening to a podcast about trafiking

Yes I know, thats why I used that phrase

Because not content with being suprised they were all 'native' (aka white) you have now decided it must be because its an international ring and foreign people will have been arrested in other countries

So you have come up with an alternative narrative that doesnt appear to be rooted in any facts to make your assumptions correct, so you are not actually challenging your assumptions at all