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SoFED · 2023-04-05T22:24:25+00:00

Having grown up in the 80s and 90s being a victim of this racial slur. I can’t believe how incensed and angry I am, I even tried to convince myself oh it was so long ago now. But I just can’t, I mean it’s almost reignited my anger and just helpless feeling when I used to get called this word. For all South Asians especially those who are from the time when it was used so openly to attack us. KSI knew it would be offensive and he still said it. No excuse and a poor apology.

RideACockHorseToSunburyCross · 06/04/2023 22:52

I'm in my 40s and have seen him live. What a way to turn a thread into fucking ageist nonsense

Justanotherlurker · 06/04/2023 22:54

I would question growing up in the 80's/90's and watching and being offended by KSI is more of a you problem than trying a call to arms type post.

I've been on the Internet since day dot and only have a passing knowledge of KSI, but the simple rule is just ignore, trying to rile up a people wanting a cancellation is just tired response, it carries over into the free speech debate on the web

RunningFromInsanity · 06/04/2023 23:04

I’m a big fan of the Sidemen, collectively and individually, and their content is usually very funny or just the right side of humorously offensive but they really fucked up here.

I just can’t understand how all of the people behind the scenes, the editors, producers etc let it stay in. Hundreds of people were involved in the making of that episode and no one said anything?

Especially having 2 black men and Vik, of Indian descent, in the group.

ArianahX · 06/04/2023 23:59

I'm sorry but I've had friends verbally abused with the word 'P*'; they have been very understandably upset & KSI using this slur just makes it seem more acceptable if he is seen to 'get away with it'.
It's disappointing & disgusting behaviour.

IseePatterns · 07/04/2023 10:47

Justanotherlurker · 06/04/2023 22:54

I would question growing up in the 80's/90's and watching and being offended by KSI is more of a you problem than trying a call to arms type post.

I've been on the Internet since day dot and only have a passing knowledge of KSI, but the simple rule is just ignore, trying to rile up a people wanting a cancellation is just tired response, it carries over into the free speech debate on the web

Yep. You see it too.

SerenaB12 · 07/04/2023 12:24

Rowthe · 06/04/2023 22:09

Yeah.

The others in the video laughed.

It just makes it so much worse.

How would they have liked it if it was a panel of white people and the slur was the 'n' word?

And everyone in the video would just laugh, like its obviously so funny.

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Exactly..its the tittering from the others that fucking annoyed me.
I have had staff face disciplinary action for using that word. I have experienced it as a racial slur directed at me and I have zero tolerance for the use of it
You don't know until you know.. its a word that has deep connotations with extreme racist ideas, the term was used by the NF to go xxxxbashing, I've had it hurled at me in the street as a child and used to describe me by a dickhead at a work environment. (He got sacked) completely unacceptable. And the laughter will be explained away as nervous giggling or some other crap. Fact is, everyone knows it's not acceptable, those who laughed should have had the decency to challenge the people (KSI) for using it.

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SoFED · 07/04/2023 12:31

Justanotherlurker · 06/04/2023 22:54

I would question growing up in the 80's/90's and watching and being offended by KSI is more of a you problem than trying a call to arms type post.

I've been on the Internet since day dot and only have a passing knowledge of KSI, but the simple rule is just ignore, trying to rile up a people wanting a cancellation is just tired response, it carries over into the free speech debate on the web

I trust you’ve never suffered from a racial attack? Because if you’ve had glass and bottles thrown at you and this word shouted at you while it happens, while you’ve had shit left outside your house door and windows smashed of your new business while people shouted that word and get out?! Have you?! Then shut up with your nonsense. It matters, it matters that in this day and age someone influential is using that word.

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BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 13:01

@SoFED completely agree with you. I also grew up in the 80s and 90s. I’m plenty open-minded, totally appreciate other people have different frames of reference, whatever - but I would not stay friends with anyone who used that word. And I’d make sure they knew why, and why I had And I’d make sure everyone else knew why as well, so other decent people could steer clear of them.

I grew up in BNP-land, and was raised by parents who would now be called anti-racist. I was taught to stand up against it wherever I could, and I can’t believe there are so many people happy to handwave away racist slurs these days. That shit was a massive deal when I was a kid; if you weren’t against it you were part of the problem. We had huge societal efforts on the ground in the 80s and 90s especially in working class communities, to push back against the BNP and to stamp it out. Where I come from we had zero tolerance for “casual” racism because it was still fucking racism. And people did change, racist attitudes did wither, and in some individuals those attitudes might not have died but they would never have dared say a racial slur publicly, never mind put it on the internet for everyone to see. We should shame racists ffs. Don’t care who it is or what background they’re from, if they’re promoting racial slurs we should shame them. But now we have people making excuses for it.

I get that someone who’s chosen a moniker that’s the initials for “Killed/Seriously Injured” probably isn’t the nicest guy, but the fact is that due to the internet people like him are influencing our kids whether we like it or not, and other people are happy to make excuses for their bad bits because oh they’re sooo funny otherwise that it doesn’t matter apparently. No. It matters, it always matters, I don’t want my kids - or anyone else’s tbh - to be influenced to think that racial slurs are okay and ‘just a joke’. They’re not a joke, they’re never okay. We drew that line a long time ago here and I actually can’t believe people are trying to blur it now.

I believe we are regressing massively as a society now social media is our main platform for communication, because I see racism, sexism and misogyny, ableism, all the things we had genuinely made some progress on in my youth, all coming back in children and young people especially. It’s maddening and heartbreaking. I don’t think we should stop pushing back, even if twenty years ago I didn’t think we would still have to be pushing back against this shit in this day and age.

RunningFromInsanity · 07/04/2023 18:46

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 13:01

@SoFED completely agree with you. I also grew up in the 80s and 90s. I’m plenty open-minded, totally appreciate other people have different frames of reference, whatever - but I would not stay friends with anyone who used that word. And I’d make sure they knew why, and why I had And I’d make sure everyone else knew why as well, so other decent people could steer clear of them.

I grew up in BNP-land, and was raised by parents who would now be called anti-racist. I was taught to stand up against it wherever I could, and I can’t believe there are so many people happy to handwave away racist slurs these days. That shit was a massive deal when I was a kid; if you weren’t against it you were part of the problem. We had huge societal efforts on the ground in the 80s and 90s especially in working class communities, to push back against the BNP and to stamp it out. Where I come from we had zero tolerance for “casual” racism because it was still fucking racism. And people did change, racist attitudes did wither, and in some individuals those attitudes might not have died but they would never have dared say a racial slur publicly, never mind put it on the internet for everyone to see. We should shame racists ffs. Don’t care who it is or what background they’re from, if they’re promoting racial slurs we should shame them. But now we have people making excuses for it.

I get that someone who’s chosen a moniker that’s the initials for “Killed/Seriously Injured” probably isn’t the nicest guy, but the fact is that due to the internet people like him are influencing our kids whether we like it or not, and other people are happy to make excuses for their bad bits because oh they’re sooo funny otherwise that it doesn’t matter apparently. No. It matters, it always matters, I don’t want my kids - or anyone else’s tbh - to be influenced to think that racial slurs are okay and ‘just a joke’. They’re not a joke, they’re never okay. We drew that line a long time ago here and I actually can’t believe people are trying to blur it now.

I believe we are regressing massively as a society now social media is our main platform for communication, because I see racism, sexism and misogyny, ableism, all the things we had genuinely made some progress on in my youth, all coming back in children and young people especially. It’s maddening and heartbreaking. I don’t think we should stop pushing back, even if twenty years ago I didn’t think we would still have to be pushing back against this shit in this day and age.

KSI stands for Knowledge Strength Integrity (as ironic as that it at the moment)
He literally has it tattooed on his body.

bossonext · 07/04/2023 18:47

Justanotherlurker · 06/04/2023 22:54

I would question growing up in the 80's/90's and watching and being offended by KSI is more of a you problem than trying a call to arms type post.

I've been on the Internet since day dot and only have a passing knowledge of KSI, but the simple rule is just ignore, trying to rile up a people wanting a cancellation is just tired response, it carries over into the free speech debate on the web

There's always one, and I'm not surprised it's you.

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 18:51

RunningFromInsanity · 07/04/2023 18:46

KSI stands for Knowledge Strength Integrity (as ironic as that it at the moment)
He literally has it tattooed on his body.

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Oh, my mistake, I’m so sorry, that makes saying “P-k-“ and laughing about it with his ignorant friends to upload to their YouTube channel totally okay then 🫡

RunningFromInsanity · 07/04/2023 19:08

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 18:51

Oh, my mistake, I’m so sorry, that makes saying “P-k-“ and laughing about it with his ignorant friends to upload to their YouTube channel totally okay then 🫡

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Of course not but you are making him out to be a thug when that is the very opposite of who he is.

He massively fucked up here, no denying it. But normal people do fuck up.

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 19:30

RunningFromInsanity · 07/04/2023 19:08

Of course not but you are making him out to be a thug when that is the very opposite of who he is.

He massively fucked up here, no denying it. But normal people do fuck up.

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I wasn’t “making him out to be a thug” at all. I think he’s shown himself to be a piece of crap who thinks nothing of using a nasty racist slur that’s been yelled at people for decades while they got their heads kicked in or worse. My oldest and best friend has a Pakistani parent and all the siblings grew up fighting off that specific slur and the people wielding it at them, so that might be influencing my view here but I have no idea how anyone could think it’s okay to say “P-k-“ in this day and age. Nothing to do with me making him out to be anything. He made himself out as what he is.

Would you be so dismissive of people being upset about a nice white boy who said he had knowledge, strength, and integrity … but used the n word amongst friends and they laughed and thought it was just fine and dandy to upload to a YouTube channel watched by loads of youngsters?
If not, why not?

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 19:32

I think it’s sad and fucked up that we’re in an age where people are making excuses for racism. “Normal people fuck up”, I guess it depends what you consider normal.

IseePatterns · 07/04/2023 19:35

You were simply corrected on his name and instead of accepting the correction, you're going off on a poster.

(By the way I have no idea who KSI is or what he did).

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 19:39

Being “simply corrected on his name” is a derail from the actual point, which is that the man and his friends broadcast him saying “P-k-“ on their YouTube channel, so shall we stick to discussing the racist slur that’s the topic of the thread?

bossonext · 07/04/2023 19:40

RunningFromInsanity · 07/04/2023 19:08

Of course not but you are making him out to be a thug when that is the very opposite of who he is.

He massively fucked up here, no denying it. But normal people do fuck up.

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Oopsie daisy, used a racial slur.

Yeah most people don't do that.

IseePatterns · 07/04/2023 19:45

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 19:39

Being “simply corrected on his name” is a derail from the actual point, which is that the man and his friends broadcast him saying “P-k-“ on their YouTube channel, so shall we stick to discussing the racist slur that’s the topic of the thread?

Well yes but you used an incorrect name as a premise to write your post about his character. You were corrected as per your post. That wasn't a derail. That seemed to neutralise the point of your post a bit and it must not have felt good.

I doubt the poster was saying anything else but that.

tillytoodles1 · 07/04/2023 19:45

My neighbour who's in his 80's calls the local shop run by an Indian family, the P*ki shop. I was horrified and told him "you can't say that", his reply was that's what they've always been called.

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 19:47

bossonext · 07/04/2023 19:40

Oopsie daisy, used a racial slur.

Yeah most people don't do that.

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Right?! Most of us know either in our bones, because of how we were brought up, or through learning, that that shit is not okay.
I feel like I’m going a bit mad seeing these posters handwaving it away, like wondering am I actually being unreasonable for not being okay with racism?!

Again would they be doing this for a white man using the n word?

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 19:49

IseePatterns · 07/04/2023 19:45

Well yes but you used an incorrect name as a premise to write your post about his character. You were corrected as per your post. That wasn't a derail. That seemed to neutralise the point of your post a bit and it must not have felt good.

I doubt the poster was saying anything else but that.

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Anyone who works in public protection or has even an interest in death stats would recognise KSI as Killed/Seriously Injured first and foremost and I doubt the man in question chose the initials purely coincidentally. That aside, I really don’t care about the name, so shall we stop the derailing and get back to the racism please?

Why exactly are people bending themselves over backwards to dismiss the actual issue here? Racism isn’t okay. Casual racism just for the lols amongst mates isn’t okay. I mean fucking hell people it’s 2023 not 1983, what does it take to get you to go “holy shit yeah that’s bad” or even “well maybe we all need to make the effort to understand why it’s bad and how much harm casualising that specific language again is doing”?

BumblebeeWest · 07/04/2023 19:51

I note from your previous post you said you don’t know who he is or what he did so maybe start there and then come back to join in, maybe you could even make the effort to take into account the long and painful and incredibly harmful history of the use of that word in the UK?

IseePatterns · 07/04/2023 19:51

Again would they be doing this for a white man using the n word?

The equivalent should be an Asian man using the n-word.

BlusteryLake · 07/04/2023 19:51

Seems he's happy to make a fortune selling drinks to the tween market, yet says he doesn't want to be a role model for them. It doesn't work like that I'm afraid.

Clementineorsatsuma · 07/04/2023 19:52

Utterly agree with you OP.