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Do you really think it's the death of the high street?

163 replies

HannahDee · 04/04/2023 18:48

I've just heard that a local Barclays is closing and a much loved department store. Do you think death of the high street is really happening or are we making too much of it?

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TheGuv1982 · 04/04/2023 18:49

I think it’s going through a period of change. My hope is that more independent shops pop up as the large chains retract. My fear as that as retail units become empty, they’re sold off for flats.

PlantagenetEmbassy · 04/04/2023 18:50

It died a while ago round here. It's all tossy florists and smelly candle shops and shyte like that that no one who actually lives here wants or needs.

Whatisthisanyidea · 04/04/2023 18:50

It always happens in recession.

Cost of rentals are extortionate and big businesses are first to jump ship.

That and there is still a reduction in production of goods - couldn’t get a Kettle on the high Street this morning bar a £6.99 travel or £150 designer - It’s going to get worse.

Needmorelego · 04/04/2023 18:52

It's not really "death" but time to adapt and change what a "High Street" (ie any town centre area with shops/facilities etc) is for.
Unfortunately in my experience people don't want things to change and wouldn't consider trying something new but just moan that a shop they haven't actually shopped in since 1998 is closing down.
Embrace the change I say.

Busybody2022 · 04/04/2023 18:54

The way we shop has changed massively. Change is not a bad thing.

The boots I collect orders from are reducing their shop floor to increase space for storing click and collect etc

SunshineGeorgie · 04/04/2023 18:55

It's all poundshops and vape shops here

tulippa · 04/04/2023 18:56

If people used it, it wouldn't be dying.

Toottooot · 04/04/2023 18:56

It’s already deid.

MYSTERIOUSGIRLONLINE · 04/04/2023 19:00

The high street is definitely soon going to be no more! I'm seeing shops from the nearest town from me closing down on a weekly basis and it's a sad state of affairs. I personally love to just walk into a shop and not only browse but I get to see the items themselves without second guessing looking on Amazon and the likes wondering is what I've purchased going to fit or even look anything like it does in the picture and the hassle of returning items by post becomes a headache. Guess I'll just have to get used to online shopping.

CalistoNoSolo · 04/04/2023 19:00

tulippa · 04/04/2023 18:56

If people used it, it wouldn't be dying.

If the 'high street' had a decent choice at reasonable value at the times people want to shop, then we would use it. The high street is dying because its shite and has been for years.

Forever42 · 04/04/2023 19:04

My local high street is almost always busy. However, that is mainly with people going to salons or cafes. All the banks have closed - just one building society is left. No major clothing retailers, although there are a couple of independents. There is a Boots, Superdrug and a couple of chemists. They all seem to be doing ok. People seem to be more willing to go to an actual shop for toiletries, medicines, cosmetics etc than shop online.
I think High Streets will increasingly be for experiences you can't do online, eg coffee shops, hair cuts.

Forever42 · 04/04/2023 19:05

We also have three card/gift shops.

tulippa · 04/04/2023 19:07

CalistoNoSolo · 04/04/2023 19:00

If the 'high street' had a decent choice at reasonable value at the times people want to shop, then we would use it. The high street is dying because its shite and has been for years.

Oh yeah that's kind of what I meant but didn't express it very well. We don't have to use something if it doesn't meet our needs.

taxguru · 04/04/2023 19:11

It's been happening for a few decades. Out of town supermarkets moved out first, leaving towns without supermarkets. Then retail parks started taking out other chain stores like Currys, Halfords, WHS, Clarks, M&S etc. Now department stores are closing because they're an outdated model.

Smaller towns were hit first but now it's affecting the bigger towns and cities too. Even before covid, there were lots of smaller towns where the High Street was just charity shops, betting shops, Greggs, etc. and nothing else. People are only waking up to it because it's starting to hit the city centres which were previously relatively unscathed.

There's no going back. Retail is now "out of town" or online. Yes, maybe some independents will move into the High Street, but there won't be many of them as people will buy most of what they want on the internet or in retail parks, so basically, just "niche" shops, along with a sprinkling of "leisure", cafes/restaurants, etc.

High Streets and town centres will inevitably have to be re-purposed for housing (like they were before the chain stores took over the High Street), so whether that's by demolition or by conversion, it will be the future. The High Street of the last few decades will never come back.

taxguru · 04/04/2023 19:14

CalistoNoSolo · 04/04/2023 19:00

If the 'high street' had a decent choice at reasonable value at the times people want to shop, then we would use it. The high street is dying because its shite and has been for years.

Coinciding with venture capital chain stores buying up any smaller chains to make "indentikit" High streets, along with chains moving out onto retail parks, along with chains moving online and other online competition. I'm not saying High Street shops were good (because lots weren't) but even with more choice, longer opening hours, etc., people would still use the internet and out of town retail parks for convenience rather than suffering town centre one way systems, congestion, high parking costs, etc.

mackthepony · 04/04/2023 19:14

It's already dead

sixfoot · 04/04/2023 19:15

Gloucester Road in Bristol is VERY busy!

Thecat19342 · 04/04/2023 19:16

I think people's lifestyles / homes / wages / shopping habits have changed.

I'm a kid of the 90s and our weekends were spent being dragged from store to store from homewear shops to clothes. I loved collectables though it had so many interesting "things" my mum loved adding to her glass ornaments.

My children's weekends now have one parent dashing to work, we spend a lot more time going to kid oriented places and shop mostly online - vinted, ebay, marketplace (or charity shops!) I wouldn't have the disposable income now to spend on trinkets and nicknacks (nor do I like them - haven't got time to dust 😆)

I agree with the above poster I think the high Street will become about experiences than buying products - places to meet, more restaurants/ coffee shops, public events and family fun days.

SmartHome · 04/04/2023 19:16

It's not dying, it's just changing and adaptingt to the modern world. Until recently many have been stuck in the 80s. They need to adapt to provide service that you can't buy online - socializing, bars, pubs, coffee shops, hairdressers, barbers, tattoos, meeting places, shared workshops, dojos etc. All the stuff you can't do online, cos that ship has sailed.

gardenbeachsand · 04/04/2023 19:18

A few towns around me the shops in the centre have gone. It has been going down hill over the last 10years.

Funny enough 3 years ago a retail park got built with shops, a cinema, restaurant's and kids play and free parking for up to 5 hours.
And its always super busy there.

The units in the town centres got expensive to rent so companies have closed them down in the towns and have one store in the retail park.

One town is just turning into student flats.
Its such a shame.

Rubygrapefruitwithchilli · 04/04/2023 19:19

I always think that where possible high streets could be adapted for elderly residents : so that they can have adapted housing, shops, hairdressers, launderettes, vets, dentists all in one easily accessible place. And then set out table and chairs in town squares for older folk to socialise in summer, just like in some other European countries.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 04/04/2023 19:21

I think it's partly for the same reason that the 'main' TV channels rarely get many millions of viewers anymore, when in the 80s and 90s - before the hundreds of different channels and then the millions of on-demand videos available to stream 24/7 that we're used to now - it was quite common, even for content that we look back and laugh at now (and I don't mean high-quality comedies!).

If you can have thousands of different choices, often at cheaper prices, without leaving your sofa and available to be delivered to you in a day or two, the High Street just can't possibly compete. You have to find the time, within restricted opening hours, walk/drive/bus there, pay for parking (if the middle option) and then struggle back with it.

Coffee shops/cafes, 'mystery' shops like charity shops and gift/antique/curio shops are probably fine; but with shops that sell very standard things that you don't care about touching, people just can't be bothered to (as they see it) waste their time - when it's the equivalent of walking a mile or two to a well to fetch a bucket of fresh water if you're fortunate enough (in world terms) to have several on-demand, unlimited-flow taps in various rooms of your house.

HazelBite · 04/04/2023 19:21

Since John Lewis and Debenhams left my local town, I have to buy things like towels, household linens etc either from the supermarkets or online.
Where do you go if you want some quality curtains, china, glassware?

SwimmingAgainstTheTides · 04/04/2023 19:23

Time has moved on, most people shop and bank online now. High street shops will soon be a thing of the past, supermarkets are massively driving the online side, that's where they take most money now.

Northernsouloldies · 04/04/2023 19:24

Toottooot · 04/04/2023 18:56

It’s already deid.

The bon accord centre gets emptier by the week.