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People with doctorates who don't work in academia

123 replies

DoctorDee · 03/04/2023 15:42

Do you use your title? I finished my PhD last year but so far haven't called myself Dr at all- obviously I wouldn't use it in conversation but even where there's a drop down menu I tend to pick Ms out of habit rather than Dr.

Just wondered what other people did? I'd like to use it a bit more. Not sure whether to put it in my work email signature- it is related to my work but I don't need a doctorate to do my job, iyswim.

I suppose my AIBU is AIBU to use my academic title when I don't work in an academic role?

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LuckOfTheDrawer · 03/04/2023 23:32

Actually, this thread is really strange - doctorates aren't just for people who want to work in academia. They're for people who want to study and perform research into a particular specialism; these people might then go on to work in a huge range of areas.

YearoftheRabbit23 · 03/04/2023 23:33

It's on my email signature and on presentations where I write my name I follow it with PhD. At first I used it when I signed up for various accounts but now I just use it in work contexts. Tip: don't use it for frequent flyer accounts as crew might think you're a medical doctor to help in an emergency.

LuckOfTheDrawer · 03/04/2023 23:36

My passport says Dr because that's my title.

If there happened to be a medical emergency, I'd just say that I was a geologist.

MajesticWhine · 03/04/2023 23:36

I use mine at work where it's relevant. But not for my Ocado delivery etc and try not to be a dick about it except... I use it at school so that on parents' evening the teachers call me Dr Grin

AndiOliversFan · 03/04/2023 23:38

LuckOfTheDrawer · 03/04/2023 23:36

My passport says Dr because that's my title.

If there happened to be a medical emergency, I'd just say that I was a geologist.

What nationality are you? My British passport does not have a place where title is stated.

Hardbackwriter · 03/04/2023 23:39

I sometimes use it. I would rather not use titles at all (and that no one did) but if forced to I often opt for Dr rather than Ms. I absolutely always use Dr if the only other option is Mrs or Miss, which I don't identify with at all, though happily it's been ages since that last came up

I understand the argument that it's pretentious/pompous/showoffy/whatever to use it outside the relevant professional context, but I really don't understand why people think medical doctors are an exception to this. I don't get why people think it's any less wanky for them to use it socially.

IShouldGoToSleep · 03/04/2023 23:51

I have a doctorate and do not work in academia. I have a professional doctorate and work in the field I qualified in.

I use Dr at work 60% of the time, when it's appropriate. I'm just my first name the rest of the time.

Mainly outside work i don't use it ever, unless I feel like being a bit of a nob, then I do! But generally I don't. Sometimes I put it on a form, mainly just when I feel it takes my mood and I feel like having a smile to myself!

emptythelitterbox · 03/04/2023 23:55

I plan to..I like it much better than any title based on marital status.

Tryphenia · 03/04/2023 23:57

thelionthewitchtheaudacityofTHISbitch · 03/04/2023 19:03

Does everyone on here have a Phd giving them (quite rightly) the respected title of Dr? (apart from the medics). Does anyone have the Dr title but not earned through a Phd? I believe there are Doctors of Education - I cant remember the other examples. Just wondering what those criteria would be. And did you all have to publish your Phd's to gain the title?

I have a DPhil, which is the Oxford PhD. No need to publish for the doctorate — you do the research, write it up and defend it. I didn’t publish the material in book form till years later.

Tryphenia · 03/04/2023 23:59

DH has a PhD in the same humanities field as I do, but now works in a completely removed industry. He uses Dr on his business cards/email signature.

mightymam · 04/04/2023 01:17

@AndiOliversFan

British here. You get the 'Doctor' bit added (I think the actual text reads 'the bearer of this passport is a doctor') on a separate page- the one preceding the main page with your photo ID. To do this, you need to submit a copy of your qualification when applying for a passport.

ClareBlue · 04/04/2023 01:23

Shortbread49 · 03/04/2023 16:11

My other half is a teacher he only uses it when useful like dealings with banks, solicitors , holiday companies etc it can be useful then

Why is it useful when dealing with these Institutions

ErrolTheDragon · 04/04/2023 10:30

Why is it useful when dealing with these Institutions

It's what someone said upthread, handy if someone is being condescending. Maybe it was worse in the past but some of these 'professionals' would all too often seem to assume a small blonde woman couldn't possibly understand science or statistics.

IbizaToTheNorfolkBroads · 04/04/2023 10:43

YearoftheRabbit23 · 03/04/2023 23:33

It's on my email signature and on presentations where I write my name I follow it with PhD. At first I used it when I signed up for various accounts but now I just use it in work contexts. Tip: don't use it for frequent flyer accounts as crew might think you're a medical doctor to help in an emergency.

Indeed.

With echoes of s very early episode of "Cabin Pressure", I had to disappoint EasyJet with my PhD in Civil Engineering.

Dr is not on my passport, but was on my bank accounts and flight booking.

GasPanic · 04/04/2023 11:03

ClareBlue · 04/04/2023 01:23

Why is it useful when dealing with these Institutions

Because most people in society have a level of respect for the title and treat you accordingly. Whether they actually should do is another issue.

The title implies to the majority of the population intelligence, trustworthiness, relatively high earning, responsible, in a similar manner to titles like JP, QC, Sir, Reverend, Major etc which are also associated with certain characteristics.

Of course not all of society subscribes to this view, and not all people holding the title conform to the stereotype. But it is generally true.

jenandberrys · 04/04/2023 11:12

mightymam · 04/04/2023 01:17

@AndiOliversFan

British here. You get the 'Doctor' bit added (I think the actual text reads 'the bearer of this passport is a doctor') on a separate page- the one preceding the main page with your photo ID. To do this, you need to submit a copy of your qualification when applying for a passport.

I cannot believe anyone would actually do this. Who are you trying to impress? U.K. Border Force😂

CurlewKate · 04/04/2023 11:16

Nope. Never. Always Ms.

RockyOfTheRovers · 04/04/2023 11:21

I used it when I was in academia, but very rarely use it now. If a form doesn’t offer Ms, then I’ll use Dr, but otherwise the only time it’s used is on letters from one of my pension companies.
Generally, I’d prefer to see a transition to not using titles at all though. It feels odd to me that gender, marital status, academic achievements or accidents of birth/honours systems should be considered relevant enough to form part of someone’s name.

GasPanic · 04/04/2023 11:33

jenandberrys · 04/04/2023 11:12

I cannot believe anyone would actually do this. Who are you trying to impress? U.K. Border Force😂

Well some border force yes.

Because when you are repeatedly entering some countries they want to know why you are there and some evidence of your credentials. The more documentation you have that supports your purpose the better.

It's useful if you travel to remote countries well off the tourist track where you might get the third degree about what your intentions are and why you are entering for the fourth time that year when it's not exactly well known as a UK tourist destination. Funnily enough exactly the kind of stuff people in some jobs (for example the one quoted earlier was geologist) actually do.

LuckOfTheDrawer · 04/04/2023 11:39

Relax @jenandberrys, it's my title, so I use it 😄.

I'm not trying to impress anyone - I just don't want to be called Miss / Ms / Mrs because I find that regressive.

AliceTheeCamel · 04/04/2023 11:46

I have a PhD. I use Dr on all forms/bank accounts etc which ask for a title. I worked hard for it and I like that it removes all the 'Miss/Ms/Mrs' nonsense. It's useful when dealing with DC's teachers, GP etc as they suddenly talk down to me a lot less when they see I'm 'Dr'

I work somewhere where we have a mix of medical doctors and PhDs. So at work I use the equivalent of 'AliceTheeCamel PhD' in my email signature so it's clear that I'm not a clinician.

wombat1a · 04/04/2023 11:57

I use mine professionally only, was in academia for a long time, now in a pharma research company where it is pretty much required that we use it.

Outside of work everyone knows I have the title but they only use it to wind me up during pub quizes.

jenandberrys · 04/04/2023 12:45

LuckOfTheDrawer · 04/04/2023 11:39

Relax @jenandberrys, it's my title, so I use it 😄.

I'm not trying to impress anyone - I just don't want to be called Miss / Ms / Mrs because I find that regressive.

I was commenting on people going out of their way to have it added to their passport. No need for titles on any passport regressive or otherwise.

orion678 · 04/04/2023 12:59

I use mine on official things (e.g. bank account), my Linkedin profile, and am introduced as "Dr Orion" when I'm giving professional presentations etc. I don't have it in my email signature, though

JenniferBarkley · 04/04/2023 13:09

I know a lot of people with PhDs, I don't know anyone who uses it outside the workplace if they're working as academics. The ones who aren't working as academics don't use the title at all.

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