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AIBU?

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Is this gaslighting?

42 replies

Allinadayswork80 · 01/04/2023 20:54

Please help me. I’m in a loving relationship of 4 1/2 yrs. I have an 11yr DD and we have a 2yr old DD together. It’s a long one sorry!

Every so often we have massive rows and he turns into a very angry unpleasant person. He will instigate/pursue arguments in front of our DD’s which upsets them, despite me telling him to stop and not do it in front of them. He’ll happily do it in public too.
He’s not physically abusive whatsoever but I feel he maybe gaslights me. It often stems around him doing something wrong but instead of owning up/accepting and apologising he becomes angry and defensive and tells me I’m “always” going on at him and picking at him. From my perspective it feels like he thinks he can do/say things that might upset me or my DD but doesn’t expect it to be pointed out.

Example today: I worked this morning, was very busy and got home around 1:30-1:45pm feeling shattered and headachey (also because my DD had a friend for a sleepover and they were up v. late and then our LO woke v. early). I managed to get LO back down before I left for work so he could sleep in longer. When I get home, the parents of the friend had arrived to collect her and they were all sitting chatting and having a cuppa. I joined them (but no cuppa made for me). LO was a bit clingy and angsty so I pointed out it was probably because she’s gone past her nap time (usually down for 1pm after lunch at 12pm). I tried to put her down but she had a tantrum and wouldn’t. After the parents left (3ish) my partner started making me and him bacon rolls, I asked if LO had had any lunch. No. Neither had my eldest. I was obviously a bit peeved and he made the excuse that the parents had turned up so he couldn’t have done it. I disagreed, said he should’ve just said “I just need to make LO some lunch” and chatted whilst doing so. He’s terrible at keeping to routines anyway and always needs prompting/reminding. So I then fed LO and asked him to sort something for my eldest. He wasn’t happy but did so.

This eve, LO became predictably tantrumy and difficult, he asks why so I say “it’s probably because she hasn’t had a nap” he replies “well you tried and she wouldn’t go down” I reply “probably because she was hungry as she hadn’t eaten, which I didn’t know at the time”. He blows up, in front of the girls, raised voice, saying nastily “why did you have to bring it up again, you’re always having a go at me, picking at me” etc etc. and obviously I defend myself saying I’m not having a go - just pointing out why LO is in a mood. He was just horrible.

Also earlier on, my DD brought up that he had deleted lots of things from the tv that me and her had recorded for ourselves but not watched yet (he records TONS of stuff for himself, at least 75% was his but we had reached our limit on recorded stuff). Instead of apologising, he gets defensive and said he didn’t know we hadn’t watched it blah blah and we can still probably find it to watch again. We can’t. I said can’t you just say sorry? He does. But then in this evening’s row, he brings that up aswell as part of the “you’re always having a go” line.

So this is what he does - makes a mistake, doesn’t own it and just apologise instead has a go at me for pointing it out. I honestly don’t pick at him all the time, he just hates if he fucks up and expects it not to be pointed out. How is that fair??

I’ve said he’s gaslighting me - fucking up, not owning it, then turns it back on me that I’m having a go. It’s all the time.

AIBU? Should I not point out when he doesn’t keep to routines, or doesn’t pick his dirty clothes off the floor and put them in the basket, or doesn’t put the clean, dried, folded clothes away etc.? I’m expected to just put up and shut up? I work too, part time and him full time but never weekends, so I do the lion’s share of childcare, shopping, cooking, housework in the week AND at weekends. So yes, I do point out when he makes my life harder by not helping or doing his bit. But surly he can at least do the basics when I’m working? Again, that’s “picking on him”.

Thanks if you’ve reached this far! I’m just sitting here pissed off and mulling it all over!

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BlüeöysterCunt · 01/04/2023 20:57

Sounds like DARVO and generally being a knob.

FiddleLeaf · 01/04/2023 20:58

Dead beat baby man. What does he bring to your life?

Yellowrosesmakemehappy · 01/04/2023 20:58

Couldn’t read it all but there is no excuse for not feeding a 2 year old, she’s still a baby and needs feeding to a schedule.

angelikacpickles · 01/04/2023 21:02

He sounds unpleasant, but that's not really what gaslighting means IMO. Gaslighting is trying to convince you that your recollection of how something happened is incorrect, rewriting history, denying reality and making you doubt yourself.

Tothepoint99 · 01/04/2023 21:08

Interesting...he is clearly highly sensitive to having things pointed out to him. Needs to learn to own it but perhaps you need to tolerate him a bit more?

Men are quite notorious for not sticking to the routine during daddy day care, and yes that can mean forgetting meal times awful as it sounds.

IoooAINToooSAYINGoooSHEoooA · 01/04/2023 21:10

Hes gone about it the wrong way shouting, especially in front of the kids, but it does sound like you're always picking at him and controlling about routines.

Allinadayswork80 · 01/04/2023 21:19

Yes that’s exactly it. Believe me, I do tolerate a lot, he’s very messy and has admitted that and often agreed he shouldn’t leave his clothes everywhere. I spend a lot of time picking up after him and go a long time before I point out that he’s lapsed again. I really try to be kindly when I mention things as I’ve learnt how his reactions can be so I try my best to word things calmly and nicely.
I find it frustrating when men are excused for not keeping to the kids routines etc. because they’re men and women are ‘better at it’. Ultimately we all end up suffering, including the kids, when they don’t!

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Allinadayswork80 · 01/04/2023 21:22

I really try not to pick at him and word things kindly. I put up with a lot before I mention anything and do it kindly as I know how he reacts.
I don’t think that trying to keep to a terrible 2’s routine as much as possible as being “controlling” about it - isn’t that just parenting?! He knows how she gets when she’s overtired - so it’s ok that he didn’t feed her lunch and put her down for a nap?

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Allinadayswork80 · 01/04/2023 21:25

Ok thank you, I appreciate your input. It does seem like some of that is the case though.

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Changingplace · 01/04/2023 21:31

He’s a twat but that’s not gaslighting.

Gaslighting is rewriting history to say it was something you know it wasn’t - so if he’d lied and said he had fed the kids lunch when you know categorically he hadn’t, that would be gaslighting.

Allinadayswork80 · 01/04/2023 21:36

Haha ok I see, thank you

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Blablablanamechangagain · 01/04/2023 21:36

Not gaslighting at all. But he sounds like a cunt regardless. Get rid.

Allinadayswork80 · 01/04/2023 21:39

OMG haven’t heard of that so just looked it up and that’s EXACTLY it!! Thank you.

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CummaCummaChameleon · 01/04/2023 21:45

This sounds exactly like my husband. He will never admit his mistakes or take them blame. Everything is someone else's fault. You have my sympathies!

fUNNYfACE36 · 01/04/2023 21:46

He shouldn't blow up jn front of the kids but you need to stop pecking at him and pointing out what you perceive as his mistakes all the time.I am guessing he was tired after the deep over and wrangling the toddler all day.i would have thought a 2 year old could and would have expressed that she was hungry if she was! Back off and stop criticising him all the time

NadjaCravensworth1 · 01/04/2023 21:46

Not necessarily gaslighting but horrible nonetheless. I wouldn't stand for anybody shouting at me in a relationship, especially in front of my children. Does he bring anything positive to your life? Men unwilling to admit when they're wrong are exhausting man babies and not worth your time x

Scuttlingherbert · 01/04/2023 21:52

Agree with others that it's not technically gaslighting.
However, I was in a mildly abusive relationship and some of what you've described sounded slightly familiar. The bit about how he is like a different person every so often - mine was like Jekyl and Hyde.
Also he also would get very angry and horrible when I rightly pointed out he'd done something wrong.

The deleting things from the TV is weird - do you think it's a genuine mistake, deliberate selfishness or trying to deliberately provoke you?

I don't think it's realistic to expect you not to say anything if he's done something wrong for fear of angering him. That doesn't seem healthy at all.

Allinadayswork80 · 02/04/2023 00:16

Scuttlingherbert · 01/04/2023 21:52

Agree with others that it's not technically gaslighting.
However, I was in a mildly abusive relationship and some of what you've described sounded slightly familiar. The bit about how he is like a different person every so often - mine was like Jekyl and Hyde.
Also he also would get very angry and horrible when I rightly pointed out he'd done something wrong.

The deleting things from the TV is weird - do you think it's a genuine mistake, deliberate selfishness or trying to deliberately provoke you?

I don't think it's realistic to expect you not to say anything if he's done something wrong for fear of angering him. That doesn't seem healthy at all.

No listening to PP’s I think you’re right, it isn’t. Sorry to hear about your experience. It’s very frustrating with people saying I shouldn’t criticise him all the time, I don’t! It’s like I can’t say anything at all without him saying I’m picking on him. I go for long periods deliberately trying not to pull him up on things and then try hard to nicely say “could you please try and …….” or “it really upsets me when you…..” but I still can’t win!
We've since discussed it calmly this evening and explained each other’s POV and he agrees that he flies off the handle and said he didn’t mean that I criticise ALL the time. It’s in the moment, when he’s been pulled up on something it’s his go to patter. I said I resent being called a “nag” as I’m really not. He agreed I’m not but hates when I make derogatory comments but also relented that they’re often justified!! He’s such a contradiction it drives me mad!!

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Allinadayswork80 · 02/04/2023 00:19

NadjaCravensworth1 · 01/04/2023 21:46

Not necessarily gaslighting but horrible nonetheless. I wouldn't stand for anybody shouting at me in a relationship, especially in front of my children. Does he bring anything positive to your life? Men unwilling to admit when they're wrong are exhausting man babies and not worth your time x

Thanks. It is very exhausting but most of the time he’s loving and supportive and brings a lot to the table. He is very childish and he didn’t have a stable or consistent upbringing to set an example. It’s these moments, sometimes weekly or sometimes we can go several weeks before it blows up again. I think it depends on the week he’s had at work, he’s much worse when he’s tired or achey. Then he can be a real dick and like a different person and I question the relationship. Then he’s lovely again.

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Allinadayswork80 · 02/04/2023 00:24

Scuttlingherbert · 01/04/2023 21:52

Agree with others that it's not technically gaslighting.
However, I was in a mildly abusive relationship and some of what you've described sounded slightly familiar. The bit about how he is like a different person every so often - mine was like Jekyl and Hyde.
Also he also would get very angry and horrible when I rightly pointed out he'd done something wrong.

The deleting things from the TV is weird - do you think it's a genuine mistake, deliberate selfishness or trying to deliberately provoke you?

I don't think it's realistic to expect you not to say anything if he's done something wrong for fear of angering him. That doesn't seem healthy at all.

Oh and the deleting things on the tv - no it definitely wouldn’t have been deliberate, he’s not vindictive just incredibly thoughtless and selfish! It genuinely didn’t occur to him not to delete things that he’s not interested in or aren’t his. I rarely record stuff, it was mostly for my DD (eg. she loves Friends and I’d recorded the reunion for her but as my partner generally has the main say over tv watching, we hadn’t had a chance to watch it together yet so she was really disappointed). We haven’t got broadband atm as we’ve moved and it’s taking forever to get Openreach to install it here so we were hoping to watch some recorded stuff.

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Allinadayswork80 · 02/04/2023 00:32

Thanks, it’s very frustrating isn’t it?! I’m not perfect I accept that and try my best to keep a nice home, care for the kids and him, on top of work. I’m not a clean freak and nag him all the time, he likes a nice home but sometimes his actions don’t reflect that! He can be thoughtless and return to his old ‘batchelor’ habits and struggles to keep to the kid’s routines if I’m not there.

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Allinadayswork80 · 02/04/2023 00:35

Yellowrosesmakemehappy · 01/04/2023 20:58

Couldn’t read it all but there is no excuse for not feeding a 2 year old, she’s still a baby and needs feeding to a schedule.

Thank you - exactly. It’s always when I work on a weekend I come home to mess and the baby running around in pj’s still unfed or not down for her nap yet and it pisses me off! Why should mums be expected to do it all right but dad’s are excused from their parenting duties?

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L1ttledrummergirl · 02/04/2023 00:45

He's a knob. Any decent person would have deleted their own TV recordings if needed, or checked with the person they belonged to first.
He has shown you he has no respect for you or you dd.

What exactly does he bring into your lives? Is he a good role model for your dc?

Life is too short for that shit. Personally I think he sounds awful. Why do you feel you have to settle for it?

Kanaloa · 02/04/2023 00:52

Tothepoint99 · 01/04/2023 21:08

Interesting...he is clearly highly sensitive to having things pointed out to him. Needs to learn to own it but perhaps you need to tolerate him a bit more?

Men are quite notorious for not sticking to the routine during daddy day care, and yes that can mean forgetting meal times awful as it sounds.

Rubbish men are. And what do you mean ‘daddy day care?’ I think a better way to put it is ‘competent men are able to feed their own child at meal times.’

It baffles me that people are able to make these excuses for men. Oh they just don’t seeeee dirt. Oh, he’s only a man, how would he know his child would need to eat food during the day? He is presumably a competent adult person.

Anyway he sounds like a shit person. Shame you have daughters to be honest because you know this is their bar for a man? But then on the other side it would be worse if you had sons because then they’d probably wind up not too different to him. So it’s a toss up really. I’d be chucking him personally. If my husband was so incompetent that he couldn’t understand that our children needed to eat food then I wouldn’t be attracted to him.

Kanaloa · 02/04/2023 00:53

And please don’t make excuses of oh he didn’t delete our stuff because he’s mean! He just doesn’t think!’ He does think. He thinks ‘I deserve more of the space than them. I am more deserving and I matter more than my daughters.’ Delete all his stuff and see if his dreamy thoughtlessness remains or if suddenly he understands that it is wrong to do that to other people.