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AIBU?

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To refuse to drive across Europe with a baby?

37 replies

aureliacat · 31/03/2023 17:30

DH is from Central Europe, as is his sister who lives near us (in northern England). They moved over together 22 years ago (with their parents who have since gone back, 12 years ago) and both have married British people and live/work here full time. Every year or so they drive back together, I’ve been with DH 7 years and sometimes go with them, sometimes don’t. The don’t fly. It’s not for financial reasons, with Ryanair they could fly there in a few hours for less than £100 return if booked smartly, but they have their reasons. Their parents used to drive back from the UK to their home country a lot when they were children, at least once a year and I suppose idea of flying isn’t as exciting. SIL and her husband have no children so if she likes it, then so be it as it is easy and enjoyable for her. The journey is a whole getaway in itself for them. They have a cousin in the country the pass through before getting to their home country, and they always go there to stay for a 2 nights to break up the journey. I previously had no issue with it and even enjoyed coming with them, but we have since had a baby (7 months old). They went last Summer and drove and I didn’t want to be home alone pregnant nor did I want the journey whilst pregnant so the compromise was that DH and his sister drove (in her car), and I flew out there once they arrived to be picked up from the airport, and then me and DH flew home a week later.

DH and his sister have now come up with a date to go again, and DS will be 11 months old. I want to go, I like my in-laws and can’t wait for them to meet DS, so it’s not a matter of me not wanting to go, but god, the thought of the drive with an 11-month old makes me feels physically sick. I suggested we do the same thing this year, DH can drive with his sister, and me and DS will fly to meet them once they get there, then me and DH will fly back together. DH is not happy with this as he is close to his cousins, has already got plans for the night staying over with them (him, his cousin, sister and her DH will go out drinking in the local town as usual, I usually join but will have DS this time, on the 2 evenings leaving me with the cousin’s wife both looking after our respective children, she’s nice enough but doesn’t speak much English so it will be slightly awkward), and they have young kids and he wants them all to meet DS. Then we’ll carry on across the border to DH’s parents where we’ll spend a week. We haven’t argued about it but I can tell he is upset. He insists DS needs to meet his cousin, who DH and his sister are close with. DH has said either I don’t come (no way am I being separated from my 11-month old for so long, and I do actually want to see my in-laws and be present for them meeting my baby) or he drives with DS and I go and meet them once there (again, still don’t want to be separated from DS even for the shorter period of time).
AIBU? I think the drive with baby will be a nightmare and I’ll be the one doing all the childcare whilst DH and SIL go off on their jollies. I’ve tried to explain to DH that things have changed now we have a child and that we should go for convenience (hence flying) but he won’t have it. He’s even got SIL to message me trying to get me to change my mind, saying that she’ll help with childcare too. But once DH, SIL and cousin are together they just like to drink, it’s their thing. SIL, her DH and my DH will split the driving, and she’s hardly going to want to be the one taking DS into service stations for nappy changes and feeds (nor would I expect her too, he’s not her child) so whilst its nice of her to offer to assist with childcare so that I agree to come, I don’t think she’s considered the reality of it.

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PacificallyRequested · 31/03/2023 17:38

Let your DH and SIL do the drive with the baby. This includes all childcare on the way, including during the cousin visit. You fly out and meet them at the final destination. As for not wanting to be separated from your DS, you're just going to have to trust his father to take care of him.

Itsbytheby · 31/03/2023 17:38

How long are the driving sections? Can they be broken up further if required?

If it was say 6 hours each day (with the stop over inbetween), so you could do 3 hrs in the morning, take a decent break for lunch and then 3 hrs later, I think that would be doable at that age, and I would compromise and drive with them one way. But really it's not going to be great fun entertaining a baby of that age in a car for hours on end....

aureliacat · 31/03/2023 17:40

It's about 14 hours to the cousin and 8 hours to PIL's straight driving.

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FatAgain · 31/03/2023 17:41

Just fly again!

LittleBearPad · 31/03/2023 17:44

Fly to the cousins, drive to PILs.

8 hours isn’t that bad. Did 6 to Cornwall when DC were small

Sarvanga38 · 31/03/2023 17:44

Could you not fly to the cousin's with your son and them collect you there, do the final bit of the journey with them with a break, then you all fly home?

SmallAngryPenguinWoman · 31/03/2023 17:51

I think you've been very reasonable in your suggestion, but if your DH wants your DS to go on the drive I'd let them off. I wouldn't go with them because, as you say, you'll be left with all the childcare & managing the practicalities of having a baby there. I'd tell him that you're going to fly, either with the baby (most sensible solution) or on your own, and will meet him at the other end.

TheOpenRoad · 31/03/2023 17:54

Ah, I know all about this, have inlaws in central Europe too. Could you, DH and DS fly to where cousins live? Then the 5 of you do the second leg of the journey by car. Flying is better but also not great with an active baby, nowhere to go on a plane.

You will a 100% be left holding the baby, especially if there's a meal and drinks. Until you get to the grandparents and then they'll probably take baby off you.

Undethetree · 31/03/2023 17:58

So take DH up on offer to drive with the baby whilst you fly out alone and meet them there.

You'll have this discussion every year so let him see for himself how the drive goes with a baby and then you can make a decision about next year based on how it goes.

Cosyblankets · 31/03/2023 17:59

Let them drive with the baby to the cousins, do all the catch up etc then you fly and meet them there and carry on in the car to the inlaws? Then fly home with the baby at the end and let them drive

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 31/03/2023 18:02

Yep I'd be ballsy and say to dh "I totally agree ds could come with, sounds great little family trip for you the baby and your sister. I'll meet you all at the in laws!"

Bet he backs right out of that one!

Sirzy · 31/03/2023 18:03

I agree with others flying to the cousins and meeting them there seems the sensible compromise

DorritLittle · 31/03/2023 18:05

There is no way I would do this after the literal hell of a drive to France when DD was a similar age. You will definitely be left holding the baby too. If it was hugely important I would fly with my baby and see them there.

cartagenagina · 31/03/2023 18:05

No I wouldn’t be happy with this. Cousin can meet baby when they’re older.

ImustLearn2Cook · 31/03/2023 18:09

I don’t think a 14 hour drive is fair on a baby or toddler. It really isn’t. Yanbu. Can you afford to fly out to the cousins and then fly to the PIL? I understand your dh wanting his family to meet the baby and I understand why you don’t want to make your baby endure a long distant car trip too.

Try to create a win win situation where both you and your husband gets what they want and baby’s needs are met.

HalliwellManor · 31/03/2023 18:14

We did a road trip when DD was 13 months old,from England to France,Germany,Belgium,Luxembourg and finally to Switzerland.Ex Partner was doing Iron-man Switzerland so we rented a transit van,put all our stuff in there,travel cot,airbed etc and lived in the van for a week,it was great fun.
Dd was fine and we all had a fabulous time!

May09Bump · 31/03/2023 18:14

Nope you would have to do many stops for the baby to get out of the car seat as recommended. You fly with baby and they drive - cousins need to drive to their uncles / aunties to see you all. If he doesn't go for it - stay home with baby and say they are more than welcome to visit you.

mathanxiety · 31/03/2023 18:16

How long is the drive in terms of hours?

I live in the US and have done two day drives with my DCs of all ages. That is two 9 to 10 hour days in a row, with one overnight stay in a motel to break up the trip.

It's not something I'd get worked up about, frankly. I think you're being a little precious. Why does the thought of it make you sick?

There are parts of your OP that indicate you don't understand why your husband is still so attached to his extended family and to his culture and original homeland, and you show a considerable amount of resentment toward his sense of connection to his origins. Would that be a fair assessment of your feelings?

StillWantingADog · 31/03/2023 18:20

@mathanxiety
i know it’s far more normal in the us to do long drives. It’s pretty rare here and I understand OP’s concerns I wouldn’t been keen either

OP
if flying to the cousins is an option and driving from there I’d do that. Or drive all the way and fly back.

or let them drive with the baby and meet you there (they might agree never again!) but I understand why that’s not attractive to you.

aureliacat · 31/03/2023 18:23

mathanxiety · 31/03/2023 18:16

How long is the drive in terms of hours?

I live in the US and have done two day drives with my DCs of all ages. That is two 9 to 10 hour days in a row, with one overnight stay in a motel to break up the trip.

It's not something I'd get worked up about, frankly. I think you're being a little precious. Why does the thought of it make you sick?

There are parts of your OP that indicate you don't understand why your husband is still so attached to his extended family and to his culture and original homeland, and you show a considerable amount of resentment toward his sense of connection to his origins. Would that be a fair assessment of your feelings?

No I don't think that's true at all. I love my in-laws, and have been on this yearly trip 4 times before with DH and his sister, and always had great fun getting involved with his family and culture, and I also want DS to be in touch with his father's culture. I have nothing against any of them, they are great. It's just the practicalities of the journey with a baby, the drive. Otherwise I'm looking forward to seeing in-laws

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Quartz2208 · 31/03/2023 18:23

LittleBearPad · 31/03/2023 17:44

Fly to the cousins, drive to PILs.

8 hours isn’t that bad. Did 6 to Cornwall when DC were small

This fly to the cousins and then either do another flight to your PiL or drive with them.

Clymene · 31/03/2023 18:23

Let them take the baby and fly out and meet them there.

Sprinkl3 · 31/03/2023 18:32

Do what you're comfortable with. Really the ultimate decision should be what's best for the baby, not the adults. I'm not entirely sure what that is (babies on flights aren't straightforward) but you know your own child. There's definitely a compromise here.

But for the record, you're not being precious or unreasonable. A trip across Europe is A LOT with a baby.

2bazookas · 31/03/2023 18:47

Just fly to the PILs with baby.

If the cousins are desperate to meet baby they can either drive to the PILS or to UK .

Weallgottachangesometime · 31/03/2023 18:51

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 31/03/2023 18:02

Yep I'd be ballsy and say to dh "I totally agree ds could come with, sounds great little family trip for you the baby and your sister. I'll meet you all at the in laws!"

Bet he backs right out of that one!

Yea I’d be tempted to do this too.
He might well feel differently if he the one having to do all the hard work.