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To refuse to drive across Europe with a baby?

37 replies

aureliacat · 31/03/2023 17:30

DH is from Central Europe, as is his sister who lives near us (in northern England). They moved over together 22 years ago (with their parents who have since gone back, 12 years ago) and both have married British people and live/work here full time. Every year or so they drive back together, I’ve been with DH 7 years and sometimes go with them, sometimes don’t. The don’t fly. It’s not for financial reasons, with Ryanair they could fly there in a few hours for less than £100 return if booked smartly, but they have their reasons. Their parents used to drive back from the UK to their home country a lot when they were children, at least once a year and I suppose idea of flying isn’t as exciting. SIL and her husband have no children so if she likes it, then so be it as it is easy and enjoyable for her. The journey is a whole getaway in itself for them. They have a cousin in the country the pass through before getting to their home country, and they always go there to stay for a 2 nights to break up the journey. I previously had no issue with it and even enjoyed coming with them, but we have since had a baby (7 months old). They went last Summer and drove and I didn’t want to be home alone pregnant nor did I want the journey whilst pregnant so the compromise was that DH and his sister drove (in her car), and I flew out there once they arrived to be picked up from the airport, and then me and DH flew home a week later.

DH and his sister have now come up with a date to go again, and DS will be 11 months old. I want to go, I like my in-laws and can’t wait for them to meet DS, so it’s not a matter of me not wanting to go, but god, the thought of the drive with an 11-month old makes me feels physically sick. I suggested we do the same thing this year, DH can drive with his sister, and me and DS will fly to meet them once they get there, then me and DH will fly back together. DH is not happy with this as he is close to his cousins, has already got plans for the night staying over with them (him, his cousin, sister and her DH will go out drinking in the local town as usual, I usually join but will have DS this time, on the 2 evenings leaving me with the cousin’s wife both looking after our respective children, she’s nice enough but doesn’t speak much English so it will be slightly awkward), and they have young kids and he wants them all to meet DS. Then we’ll carry on across the border to DH’s parents where we’ll spend a week. We haven’t argued about it but I can tell he is upset. He insists DS needs to meet his cousin, who DH and his sister are close with. DH has said either I don’t come (no way am I being separated from my 11-month old for so long, and I do actually want to see my in-laws and be present for them meeting my baby) or he drives with DS and I go and meet them once there (again, still don’t want to be separated from DS even for the shorter period of time).
AIBU? I think the drive with baby will be a nightmare and I’ll be the one doing all the childcare whilst DH and SIL go off on their jollies. I’ve tried to explain to DH that things have changed now we have a child and that we should go for convenience (hence flying) but he won’t have it. He’s even got SIL to message me trying to get me to change my mind, saying that she’ll help with childcare too. But once DH, SIL and cousin are together they just like to drink, it’s their thing. SIL, her DH and my DH will split the driving, and she’s hardly going to want to be the one taking DS into service stations for nappy changes and feeds (nor would I expect her too, he’s not her child) so whilst its nice of her to offer to assist with childcare so that I agree to come, I don’t think she’s considered the reality of it.

OP posts:
eurochick · 31/03/2023 18:53

It's a lot of time in a car seat for the baby and you would need to take more breaks with the baby there. Let them take the baby equipment and then fly out to meet them with the baby.

Emigratingimmigrant · 31/03/2023 18:56

i know it’s far more normal in the us to do long drives. It’s pretty rare here and I understand OP’s concerns I wouldn’t been keen either

It's quite common to do long drives on continent too.

But I agree eith OP and would fly to cousins and either take 2nd flight or do the second leg in a car

Quveas · 31/03/2023 19:09

I lost the will to live somewhere somewhere part way...

But it is Europe not the Badlands. If you don't want to do it, fine. But it has nothing to do with having a young child. It's because you don't want to. And that is fine if that is what you and the father agree.

TestingTestingWonTooFree · 31/03/2023 19:17

“infant healthcare professionals, safety experts and most car manufacturers recommend that babies should not be in a car seat for longer than 2 hours at a time”

https://www.lullabytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/9-car-seat-factsheet-2019-09-09-1.pdf

It’s a no from me.

https://www.lullabytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/9-car-seat-factsheet-2019-09-09-1.pdf

Mummyof287 · 31/03/2023 19:17

PacificallyRequested · 31/03/2023 17:38

Let your DH and SIL do the drive with the baby. This includes all childcare on the way, including during the cousin visit. You fly out and meet them at the final destination. As for not wanting to be separated from your DS, you're just going to have to trust his father to take care of him.

This isn't really fair on the baby though is it....

To be honest OP your DH sounds very arrogant and selfish....he needs to compromise and step up to his responsibilities as a parent for sure.

But your baby shouldn't be forced to be apart from you.

Nor should your baby be dragged on a horrendously long car journey because DH is too self absorbed and set in his ways to put his child's needs first and change his ways.

Think you need to put your foot down here....make the arrangments fair and child friendly, or insist you and baby don't go.

Favouritefruits · 31/03/2023 19:31

No way would I take a baby that distance, it could all be fine but chances are it won’t be, they want to be exploring at that age not strapped in a car seat so there’ll be screaming, crying and a billion stops I couldn’t hack it too much stress. Take a aeroplane and meet them. Honestly your sanity has to be a priority, imagine stop every half an hour because she/he is having an off day… oh no makes me stressed just thinking about it.

carly2803 · 31/03/2023 19:51

sounds like hell - would fly too

totally unfair on the baby strapped in a car seat for that long at that age wanting to explore.

your DH is just thinking of himself. why cant you fly to cousin then fly to in laws?

or cousin goes to your in laws?

NBLarsen · 31/03/2023 19:54

Isn't there a limit on how long a baby should be in a car seat for safety? Not to mention how completely bored the baby will be on the journey! Your DH needs to appreciate that some things change when you are a parent of young children and make adjustments to his plans.

Fly direct to your in laws with the baby. Let him drive if he wants to be unsupportive of your baby's needs. You can go on a separate trip to see the cousins or have them visit you.

Mojoj · 31/03/2023 19:57

LittleBearPad · 31/03/2023 17:44

Fly to the cousins, drive to PILs.

8 hours isn’t that bad. Did 6 to Cornwall when DC were small

Eh? Just fly directly to your IL's. No question. Your DP will no doubt get over it, ably helped by all the partying en route...

Cosyblankets · 31/03/2023 19:57

How about they all come to you?

StripeyDeckchair · 31/03/2023 20:37

aureliacat · 31/03/2023 17:40

It's about 14 hours to the cousin and 8 hours to PIL's straight driving.

Small children can't be in a car seat for that long. There will have to be regular stops for at least 1hour so that 14 hours will be 18+ 8 will be 11+

The whole drive will revolve around the baby & it's needs. It will be hell for all in the car.

RosesInWater · 31/03/2023 20:47

Fly to granny's and the cousins visit you all there. A far better compromise and everyone gets to see everyone. That is what I would suggest.

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