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To think many people are barely surviving Life in uk is unsustainable!

261 replies

Cupcakeicecream · 28/03/2023 18:54

To think a normal standard of living is out of reach to the majority of the population. People are barely surviving as is.They have cut back as far as they possibly can and it's still not enough.Next month prices are rising even more. I know most people would say cut your cloth accordingly dont live beyond your means. If you stopped netflix and takeout coffee everything will magically be solved. That's not realistic there is people out there stressed wondering how they will afford the Bill's barely eating sitting in a cold house as they cant afford to heat the house. Yes there will be people on their high horse saying things are not that bad. But the uk has gone to pot. Wages arent high enough. Food prices are too high. This is just a general rant as its constantly on the news. And some people are just oblivious to the fact people in uk can actual be in poverty and really suffering right now even though we arent a third world country. And it seems will only get worse.

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AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 21:53

"My friends and I can all afford our expensive haircuts and dinners out, can't be that bad!"

That's what I'm getting from this thread. Maybe some of you need to remove your heads from your arses. It's not all about your little bubbles.

MrNook · 28/03/2023 21:53

This thread is clearly full or privileged people who have no idea what life is like for some people in the UK right now.

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 21:54

Anotherparkingthread · 28/03/2023 21:50

A lot of replies here are so narrow minded, unempatheic and ill informed.

'People on dinghys come from France so it's not that bad here.' What fucking planet are you on? Desperate people, feeing war, who believe some incredibly out dated things about the UK. These people have been told the UK is a rich country. That the streets are paved with gold and everything here is amazing. Its a dream they cling to because they have nothing.

You don't have to ge the person suffering the most in the world to be suffering. Its not a competition. It doesn't work like that. You don't have to hold your tongue unless you're sure you have it the worst of all. It's okay to say things are shit, that's how you change things.

It's not a vocal minority either. I live in the Midlands and its desperate for so so many people. I know people watching the chance to ever own a home disappear as their rents continue to go up. The country is a mess. Healthcare is revolting its a shambles. No doctors no nurses no nhs dentists. If you are lucky enough to not be experiencing hardships then good for you but don't you dare deny what other people are experiencing, just because you personally haven't yet been hit by any of these things. It's people with these denailistic moronic opinions that stamp out the voices of those who actually see the cracks showing. The system is broken and its going to fail. Perhaps when it does you will wish you had listened.

Hear hear

FamilyLife2point4 · 28/03/2023 21:54

Problem is the Tories - we need rid ….. they allowed Brexit with their lies, lies, lies!

User135644 · 28/03/2023 22:00

LindorDoubleChoc · 28/03/2023 21:07

Staggering amount of sticking fingers in ears and going la la la on this thread!

Our household is in the top 10% or 15% or whatever for income. But our mortgage has gone up £400 per month, our utilities have gone up £200 per month, our food bill has gone up at least £200 per month. We can't just adjust to £800 less without feeling it. So no holiday or home improvements for us this year.

And we're well off! What about everyone else? How can it not be obvious/visible?

The Tories will be relying on this complacency at the next election.

Things are trending downward. Wages have been stagnant for a long time, in general, but now you've got inflation and interest rates up and energy and food inflation is huge. People tolerated low wages while inflation and interest rates were kept low.

I remember in the 80s a lot of towns were on their arse but the pubs were still full. It doesn't mean anything.

Periornot · 28/03/2023 22:00

Lots are finding the increases hard, but many are able to accommodate them. I have had to stop work due to long covid which has put extra pressure on. I know there are obviously tens (hundreds?) of thousands in the same boat, and I am luckier than lots as I had savings. Things are going to get dicier soon.

User135644 · 28/03/2023 22:01

Added to the fact that Brexit has made the country a lot poorer as well, as Covid obviously has as well or the Ukraine war. All factors causing said issues. But the stagnant wages and austerity has been a 13 year problem.

Pink139 · 28/03/2023 22:01

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This has been deleted by MNHQ as we do not believe that the poster is genuine.

Periornot · 28/03/2023 22:02

Oh and our mortgage went up by almost £500 last year.

Callmenat · 28/03/2023 22:02

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 21:48

I have been to the townships of South Africa and also the Far East in the last 18 months. We have become immune from what is really poor.

And comments like this are just in insulting to parents who have considered referring themselves to social services because they can't feed their kids.

Not insulting at all. No safety net in much of the world which is awful.

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 22:04

Not insulting at all. No safety net in much of the world which is awful.

OK good, well if anything really shit ever happens to you, don't get too upset because there is almost definitely someone who has it worse.

Periornot · 28/03/2023 22:04

FamilyLife2point4 · 28/03/2023 21:54

Problem is the Tories - we need rid ….. they allowed Brexit with their lies, lies, lies!

What happens to people who tell outrageous lies on the campaign trail? Sweet FA. I'd love that to change. I wish there was a shred of genuine accountability for all the lies.

Callmenat · 28/03/2023 22:07

AllOfThemWitches · 28/03/2023 22:04

Not insulting at all. No safety net in much of the world which is awful.

OK good, well if anything really shit ever happens to you, don't get too upset because there is almost definitely someone who has it worse.

You're missing the point. I'm thankful for a safety net for myself and others and feel terrible that many people kn the world don't have this. Take your righteous anger elsewhere.

Muchtoomuchtodo · 28/03/2023 22:08

We are fortunate (is that the right word?) that we worked our arses off to pay our mortgage off. That means that we’re doing ok at the moment.

if we’d not done that, if we’d chosen to have more children, more holidays, more meals out, more time off work it could be very different.

So is fortunate the right word? Of course there is some luck in our situation, but lots of it is down to choices that we’ve made over the past 20 years.

Butterwicky · 28/03/2023 22:11

Hellsmovie · 28/03/2023 20:32

I honestly didnt think it's a big joint income
And yeah its pre tax. I'm in the south east so even small houses arent cheap to buy.

Quick Google suggests 38k is average and were both below that

Apologies, I can see I was wrong. I thought 25k was average but I think it's brought down by people who don't work full time.

Babyroobs · 28/03/2023 22:11

I think a lot of people are struggling and then there are also another large number of people who think they are struggling because the media is screaming about the cost of living crisis all the time. Part of my job is doing benefit checks, we get lots of older people ringing up saying they don't have enough money and fretting about heating costs. When you look at what they actually have coming in you start to wonder what the problem is. Most are either mortgage free or getting most of their rent and council tax completely paid because they are on housing benefit or pension credit. They have also had a lot of help with cost of living payments, some up to £1500. I'm not denying there are some struggling, but the ones that are it's usually either because of debts or because they are not claiming what is available to them. As others have said though, there still seems to be a lot of cash flowing around. People have had low interest rates for years, many saved a fortune during covid by not spending on foreign holidays and going out, many young people still living at home have money to throw around. Food has gone up a lot and obviously that is going to hit a lot of poorer people hard because they spend a higher proportion of their income on essentials, but many others have a lot of options to cut down, buy cheaper food without going hungry. I think as a nation we normally have so much more than we need.

MissyB1 · 28/03/2023 22:11

Callmenat · 28/03/2023 22:02

Not insulting at all. No safety net in much of the world which is awful.

The so called safety net doesn’t seem to be working so well at the moment, seems to be developing holes.

stillherenow · 28/03/2023 22:13

MrNook · 28/03/2023 21:53

This thread is clearly full or privileged people who have no idea what life is like for some people in the UK right now.

This! I work for a charity and a lot of working people are massively struggling.

stillherenow · 28/03/2023 22:15

And I have a rush of intense rage every time I’m driving behind yet another Tesla. How on earth do people have that sort of money. It boggles my mind. I’m not struggling for food , but it’s difficult, as a single parent. My heating is off now until next winter.

Timesawastin · 28/03/2023 22:16

WaggyTailsWetNoses · 28/03/2023 19:11

I agree that some people, especially the most vulnerable, are experiencing poverty. And with the cost of living crisis that financial struggle now includes a greater number of people. There is also a great deal of hidden poverty, especially in rural communities.

However, I can’t agree that the majority of the population cannot afford a ‘normal’ standard of living. Yes, missing out on a holiday this year, putting the extension on hold, or even looking to downsize to a smaller home. But for most of the population we still enjoy a good standard of material wealth ( and state support) compared with most countries ( even most developed countries) or with any other time in our history.

This. Most people enjoy a standard of living unimaginable in the 1950s or even 1970s.
That's not to say many aren't struggling. But those at the bottom always have.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 28/03/2023 22:16

stillherenow · 28/03/2023 22:13

This! I work for a charity and a lot of working people are massively struggling.

But lots of people aren’t. OP’s post clearly references “the majority of the population” and I don’t think that’s true at all. It might be true for some but it’s not the majority.

HereComesMaleficent · 28/03/2023 22:17

I wouldn't say most people at all, me and my peer group all seem to be doing ok.

I'm a loan parent, one income circa £23k. I receive a small UC top up and child benefit.

Are we rolling in cash, no. Are we enjoying life, warm and fed yes. Am I worrying about money, not at all. It helps that I have no debt (except car finance)

It could be worse...but we are far from destitute and do have little luxuries and I even have a little savings account I top up each month.

Mamamia7962 · 28/03/2023 22:17

Of course some people are struggling, that has always been the case and always will be, but the majority are not. Still plenty of people out and about spending money.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 28/03/2023 22:18

And I have a rush of intense rage every time I’m driving behind yet another Tesla.

So people who are fortunate and have money for whatever reason should…what? Feel guilty? Give their money to someone else? Not spend it in case it makes someone else envious and angry? Jesus Hmm

Timesawastin · 28/03/2023 22:19

stillherenow · 28/03/2023 22:13

This! I work for a charity and a lot of working people are massively struggling.

Not the same as claiming 'life in the UK is not sustainable' which is overwrought catastrophizing.