To think that a three year jail sentence is unreasonable for the disabled pedestrian who was found guilty of causing the death of a cyclist

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The Sunday Times and The Guardian carried this story earlier this month and again today, as did GB News. Link is below. I just find it unbelievable that so much relevant information about this lady’s disability was either ignored or dismissed by the judge, and that she didn’t have adequate representation at sentencing.
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OP, I agree. A three year jail sentence is unreasonable

It should be longer

So if you or someone you love is knocked down and killed if crossing at a red man rather than waiting on the green, you'd say 'oh our fault, they shouldn't face any charges'?

And they've got this one. It's now unequivocally signed as a shared pathway. Because the problem wasn't cyclists using it.

Shucks.

I just feel very sorry for her (I don’t know her personally but have read a few articles). Physically and mentally disabled woman who is ‘childlike’ (she doesn’t even understand she is in prison now) and has just lost her only sibling to cancer panics when a cyclist heads towards her on the pavement and reacts quickly and flaps her arms for a couple of seconds. Is it really in the public interest to prosecute?

The cyclist lost control and veered into the road because the woman aggressively moved into her path gesticulating at her. The cyclist veered in shock and to avoid hitting the pedestrian. The pedestrian deliberately forced the cyclist into the road and caused her death. The cyclist had every right to be on what was thought to be a shared path and has since been found to be so. The awful part of this is that an elderly lady died because an aggressive person decided that they ruled the pavement.

From the video it doesn’t look she was forced more like spooked. Cyclists on pavements are a risk to pedestrians, especially people with disabilities. The cyclist chose to put pedestrians and themselves at risk.

Well she can't go home either way, she's a danger to the public.

She had a bad temper, caused a death, and didn't even stay on the scene of the accident to help.

She needs to be locked away somewhere one way or another as she poses a safety to people and doesn't seem all that remorseful.

The cyclist shouldn't have been there.

YABVU. I don’t think you can have watched the video? I have, several times, and it is shocking. Saying that she “gesticulated” at the cyclist is very generous, in the video you can’t see the exact contact but you can see that the defendant threw her weight in the direction of the cyclist, very aggressively. Personally I am convinced that she gave the cyclist a hard shove. Only that is consistent with the way the cyclist suddenly loses her forward momentum and flies sideways into the road. Then the defendant fled the scene, leaving her victim dying in the road.

She was extremely lucky not to be charged with murder.

Everyone in prison had a reason for what they did. Everyone heading to prison is afraid of it and afraid of bullying. Being disabled is not a get out of jail free card. There are plenty of women in prison right now for far less cause than this crime.

I’m sure that she is an absolutely lovely person when she isn’t throwing pensioners under moving vehicles.

The killer says she made contact as well as swearing. That counts as force in my eyes.

"Panics"? Not even her defence used that as an excuse.

The cyclist wasn't heading towards her. She was on the opposite side of a shared pathway and there was plenty of room for them to pass each other.

Grey did not "react" to anything. She was the unequivocal aggressor and she didn't just "flap her arms", she forced Mrs Ward into the road.

Is it really in the public interest to prosecute?

Yes. It is in the public interest to prosecute aggressive people who force innocents under car wheels. I'm so glad you asked.

It was my understanding that she had been living in a disabled facility, similar to a nursing home, run by Papworth Trust. She was then moved into a flat adapted for her disabilities, also run by Papworth Trust. The family voiced concerns to the trust at the time, that that wouldn’t be suitable, but the move went ahead anyway.

Yes I think it was unreasonable.

Her selfish, misguided vigilantism caused the death of somebody.

She should have got longer.

Exactly, all these woe is her posters would be singing a different tune if it was their mum or grandma aggressively forced onto the road and killed.

There’s plenty of sympathy for children with learning disabilities, but that all seems to disappear once people reach adulthood.

By adulthood they deserve to be sent to prison for being unable to always do the right thing. If this woman can’t safely be out alone due to her disabilities then she needs support not a prison sentence.

She didn’t flap.

She told her to get off the fucking pavement.

A pavement the cyclist was entitled to be o e.

Honestly if this was a man people would be banging for her blood. I feel like on MN people can’t cope with women being anything other than saints or victims.

The reason that the judge gave this sentence was because she DID know right from wrong. The fact that she lied to the police when she was later questioned about it also shows that.

Her actions directly caused the horrific death of a innocent woman.

If you think disabled people aren’t culpable for crimes is it ok for them to sexually assault women? Children? After all they can’t help it

I don’t think she should have been prosecuted, should have had a decent solicitor or responsible adult with her when questioned. And should not be in jail now.
I wrote to my MP, no response.

This is an interesting question. If a child under the age of criminal responsibility is not held culpable, then should it be different for those with the same mental age as that child?

There was a study in Australia in which they scanned the brains of every consenting person in the prison to check for brain injuries. The majority of them showed signed of (previously undiagnosed) acquired brain injuries. Whether it was caused by alcohol, drugs, accidents, impact etc.

There are a lot of people with brain injuries in prison. If you excused everyone with a brain injury you'd have to remake the whole system.

It's a question of - did she have the mental capacity to understand what she was doing and that it was wrong. The fact that she lied about it shows IMO that she did know it was wrong- why cover it up if you believe it's fine?

The video shows her walking towards the cyclist, when she could have safely kept on her path.

She caused a death and deserves jail.

Interesting that She was cognitively able to recognise what she'd done was wrong and to be manipulative, being dishonest in police interviews to try to avoid responsibility.

Agreed. The video and Google StreetView confirm that it is not a shared footpath. The cyclist should have been pushing her bike along there if not confident to ride on the road.