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To wonder who eats this food and why?

507 replies

BingoBonus · 22/03/2023 10:26

https://groceries.asda.com/product/plant-based-meat-alternatives/plant-based-by-asda-chicken-style-fillets/1000383161908

Plant-based chicken-style breaded fillet. The main two ingredients are water and oil!

I don't understand the boom in plant-based ultra-processed foods...........do people actually buy these as a healthy option? And if you are vegetarian why would you want something that looked like meat?

https://groceries.asda.com/product/plant-based-meat-alternatives/plant-based-by-asda-chicken-style-fillets/1000383161908

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JarByTheDoor · 23/03/2023 14:29

I'm listed as a "trivial" drinker 😅

VeganVeteran · 23/03/2023 14:33

I concur that Robert Cheeke is indeed a lovely person and very personable and helpful. I used to talk to him a lot in the days of the Vegan Forum and he was very active on there #nostalgia

Is there a name for the phenomena you're conversing about, @JarByTheDoor ?

I found as I was growing up, I was very confused with people doing that. As I got older I sort of began doing it myself because I realised it was the general consensus. E.G I'd hear my Mum saying to her friend that we 'hadn't eaten all day!' when I knew we'd had breakfast and it was now 3pm or something. And I'd correct her but now, if someone asks me if I've eaten I'll say no, because I think they mean 'have you had dinner' and I might have only had a couple of snacks-rather than have you eaten today full stop?

Same with other subjects but seems to be especially prevalent in food! Then again I know a few people who say they 'never' or 'always' do things of any description when really they mean 'hardly ever' or 'usually'. I say I do 50 pressups a day, but you know, I don't always do it-e.g if I am staying over at someone's house or out camping or ill?

Whaeanui · 23/03/2023 14:50

@JarByTheDoor oh I love that! Trivial drinker I am then 😂

JarByTheDoor · 23/03/2023 15:17

I suppose you could call it a kind of metonymy maybe Veteran? Or just elision, where "have you eaten a meal recently" is shortened to "have you eaten?" and the rest is taken as read by both parties, because there'd be no real reason to be asking whether you'd eaten a snack this morning when it's now past lunchtime.

I struggle with the frequency words when filling out Likert forms for mental health related stuff. Like, say it's a form about depression, and the question is "I think about killing myself: never, occasionally, sometimes, frequently, all the time". I might be at my very lowest, ruminating on my impending suicide any time I have a chance, thinking about how, and when, and why I should, and so on, it's my main preoccupation and my mind can turn almost anything into another reason to think about it, but I couldn't in all conscience tick "all the time" because firstly, I sleep several hours of each day, and secondly, even the supreme Buddhist masters can't successfully focus on a single concept for every waking second. Sometimes your mind drifts to how much your legs hurt or how much of a failure you are or how filthy your house has got. I think they didn't test these things on linguistically-pedantic spergy people.

Whaeanui · 23/03/2023 15:21

@JarByTheDoor 💐I get you. What the heck does ‘all the time’ mean! My DH & kids are autistic so they hate those kinds of questions!!

JarByTheDoor · 23/03/2023 15:37

Language is a tricky beast. Like a ferret, but less cute.

JarByTheDoor · 23/03/2023 15:41

I should add in case I've been unclear, I'm fine, not suicidal and haven't been for a long time, it was just the first of that type of question to spring to mind 😳

Radical0live · 23/03/2023 15:42

JarByTheDoor · 23/03/2023 15:41

I should add in case I've been unclear, I'm fine, not suicidal and haven't been for a long time, it was just the first of that type of question to spring to mind 😳

I was concerned so thank you for clarifying

PS you have a wonderful way with words Smile

JarByTheDoor · 23/03/2023 15:46

Thank you 0live!

Yes, I'm sorry about that, I forget sometimes how things that I've become a bit inured to might come across to others, when I think I'm just using a convenient example 😳 Thank you for caring about it, even though it turned out to be just me not thinking properly.

Whaeanui · 23/03/2023 15:52

Oh thank goodness @JarByTheDoor I’m so glad you’re ok now.

JarByTheDoor · 23/03/2023 16:13

Really sorry about that!

I spent years in mental health services, and socialising with others with similar experiences, both in real life and online, and I sometimes forget that something that seems to me like a normal everyday example to choose can be quite alarming to others. I'll try to think more carefully about the examples I choose and the way I talk about them.

Whaeanui · 23/03/2023 16:56

Oh don’t be sorry at all. It’s just good to know you’re feeling well now 👍🏾

JarByTheDoor · 23/03/2023 16:59

Thank you Flowers

AnnieSnap · 23/03/2023 18:26

Husband and I are vegetarians. We don’t eat junk food, so we don’t eat stuff like your example. However, we do buy Soya mince (used to make Lasagna, chilli etc) and Soya chicken (stir fry chicken, chicken Korma) because we enjoy the taste and texture. They are good quality protein products. YABU!

Jumpingthruhoops · 23/03/2023 18:40

Baffles me too OP but you'll probably get flamed on here for saying something even vaguely critical about vegan foods.

I was interested in trying some plant-based foods, believing them to be kinder to both me and the planet, so I started doing some research and I was frankly horrified at the amount of additives in these so-called 'healthy' options.

Things like fresh beef burgers (which are perceived to be really bad for you) contain fewer additives - and a lot more protein - than their plant-based alternatives. And don't get me started on vegan 'Cheeze' 🙄

It's a no from me.

Itsnotaferret · 23/03/2023 18:41

Allergy

sadsack78 · 23/03/2023 18:41

I think a lot of people are willing to try veganism but don't necessarily know how to cook complicated meals or have the time to learn.
These meat-style things are similar to fish fingers etc in that you can bang them in the oven for 20 mins with some chips and have dinner ready.

nannykatherine · 23/03/2023 19:01

It’s all the vegans fault
being a vegetarian was ok before they came
they’ve ruined food
all the processed crap and the self righteousness
they don’t even realise they are being duped by food industries
There is no nutritional value in all those fake meat products
you can’t even go as a vegetarian and get a nice bean burger anymore in a burger place (think GBK or Byron ) as they have switched over to fake meat products ..
so I will just have to go back to real meat so I’m not vitamin deficient ..

ActDottie · 23/03/2023 19:09

I’d eat them. Why do you assume it’s a healthy option, vegans can treat themselves too you know?

Ireallycantthinkofagoodone · 23/03/2023 19:25

UnctuousUnicorns · 22/03/2023 11:32

"And if you are vegetarian why would you want something that looked like meat?"

The clue is in the words "look like", not "is". I'm vegetarian because I don't want to eat dead animals (or fish). Meat substitutes are not meat, no animals were harmed in their production, so if I fancy e.g. a "meat" style burger or "chicken" fillet every now and then, if it tastes good, I'll eat it. I find Vivera vegan "steaks" particularly nice. 🙂

I also, believe or not, eat pulses, nuts, vegetables etc. How about you do you, and the rest of us can do us. I don't need to justify my preferences; however much it may "look" or "taste" like meat, it is not meat, therefore, I eat it with a clear conscience. 🙂

I agree. I really dislike people who feel the need to comment on the food choices of others.

CalpolDependant · 23/03/2023 19:40

I buy shit like this sometimes to scratch the junk food itch for my husband who has to watch his purines.

Whaeanui · 23/03/2023 19:47

It’s all the vegans fault

Is it? 😂 what is? I’m confused

Comeonbarbiebrianharvey · 23/03/2023 20:02

I can't believe anyone is actually so dim... to think vegetarians cannot like the taste of meat.. and want some alternatives as they longer eat meat.

Not allowed anything unhealthy either?

You're confusing vegetarianism and veganism with some kind of super pure anti-processed health food diet. Nope, it's just not eating animals or animals and animal products, those are the only rules.

GCWorkNightmare · 23/03/2023 20:54

I can't believe anyone is actually so dim... to think vegetarians cannot like the taste of meat.. and want some alternatives as they longer eat meat.

What about those of us that don’t?

jenjenlinks · 23/03/2023 21:04

GCWorkNightmare · 23/03/2023 20:54

I can't believe anyone is actually so dim... to think vegetarians cannot like the taste of meat.. and want some alternatives as they longer eat meat.

What about those of us that don’t?

What about you? There is nothing in that quote that suggests at all that you ahve to, or that you do.