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To think the reintroduction of the wild Wolf to Belgium is insanity?

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HoppsAndSpice · 20/03/2023 23:50

Wild Wolves have been reintroduced into Belgium over the last couple of weeks. This has led to the great dismay of the local farming community and outrage from the country as a whole. I am personally thinking about the many farmers who will lose cattle and sheep to the wolves and the impact it will have on their livelihood. Also the impact it will have on the wider ecosystem as a whole which could see various creatures such as rabbits, hares and other small mammals hunted in large quantities.

Wolves have a very inefficient digestive system as do most carnivores which means they need large quantities of meat to survive.

Its a very interesting one but I think this needs resolving urgently as a matter of urgency.

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deeplybaffled · 21/03/2023 00:13

Notegoat · 21/03/2023 00:10

We need to form a defensive wall of bison.

can they swim, or should they patrol the White Cliffs of Dover?

Nagado · 21/03/2023 00:13

Notegoat · 21/03/2023 00:10

We need to form a defensive wall of bison.

Are you mad? You may as well baste their flanks with spicy bbq sauce and set up some picnic tables! It would be wolfy carnage!

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 21/03/2023 00:13

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:11

It also says they have extremely inefficient digestive systems which like I’ve said worries me.

youre worried about being half digested? That would be distressing yes.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 21/03/2023 00:13

SkaneTos · 21/03/2023 00:13

I don't think Belgium is a landlocked country?

It's landlocked on three sides.

Testina · 21/03/2023 00:14

“reintroduced globally especially into ecosystems which are now very fragile and could not handle the influx for example the Amazon.”

Oooooh, David Attenborough - she’s coming for you!

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 21/03/2023 00:14

deeplybaffled · 21/03/2023 00:13

can they swim, or should they patrol the White Cliffs of Dover?

Bison are very strong swimmers. Maybe the French should be worried? Though they will most likely flambé them.

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:14

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 21/03/2023 00:13

It's landlocked on three sides.

Yes but the fourth side is a sea side which faces the UK directly which is my main worry and because from Belgium if you go across from border each end into the sea you arrive at the UK it can be argued that the bit of channel that separates us from Belgium is just considered to be a river and therefore Belgium is landlocked.

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Notegoat · 21/03/2023 00:15

I was thinking of stacking them?

Lucanus · 21/03/2023 00:16

OP, do you even know where Belgium is? It's not landlocked.

Maybe next time you decide to post inaccurate alarmist nonsense, you should actually read up on the subject first.

StrawHatOnTheParcelShelf · 21/03/2023 00:16

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:09

You can often see across the channel on clear days which means many wolves would have clear line of sight across the Strait of Dover.

Have you checked out the view across the Channel from a wolf's eye level? How many of them are occupying the Belgian coastline? And you haven't addressed my question of why they would even want to make that impossible swim given you yourself have described the absolute bounty of European animals and livestock they can feast on right where they are. If they finish off all that lot do you think they might prefer to just walk somewhere new instead?

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:17

Nagado · 21/03/2023 00:10

Wolves are native to Europe, just as they were native to the UK before we killed them all. If they were causing an EU country any real problems then I’m quite sure that country wouldn’t hesitate to cull them all. But they haven’t. Which suggests that they don’t cause that much harm. And there are bears and wolves and lots of other non human friendly animals throughout Europe. None have made it here yet.

There are conservation programmes all over the place trying to reintroduce wild animals back into their natural habitats. Why is it nice when it’s tigers but dreadful when it’s wolves?

I don’t actually agree with any introduction of invasive species once they have been eradicated as once eradicated the species should take the loss and continue on as nature intended which animals like wolves should understand and the people who want to propagate them should be punished.

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deeplybaffled · 21/03/2023 00:17

Notegoat · 21/03/2023 00:15

I was thinking of stacking them?

I think the bbq sauce and yakult jus would make them too slippery

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 21/03/2023 00:18

OP, do you even know where Belgium is? It's not landlocked

Only because of coastal erosion caused by the burgeoning giant rabbit population.

Wolves are the obvious solution here.

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 21/03/2023 00:18

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:17

I don’t actually agree with any introduction of invasive species once they have been eradicated as once eradicated the species should take the loss and continue on as nature intended which animals like wolves should understand and the people who want to propagate them should be punished.

Duly noted. No reintroducing humans anywhere then.

AbsolutelyNebulous · 21/03/2023 00:18

Oh come on, this has to be a wind up. Nobody’s this bat shit, surely?

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:18

StrawHatOnTheParcelShelf · 21/03/2023 00:16

Have you checked out the view across the Channel from a wolf's eye level? How many of them are occupying the Belgian coastline? And you haven't addressed my question of why they would even want to make that impossible swim given you yourself have described the absolute bounty of European animals and livestock they can feast on right where they are. If they finish off all that lot do you think they might prefer to just walk somewhere new instead?

Wolves are an invasive species and are likely to invade places they haven’t yet invaded and what’s really key is that other people agree with the proliferation and are supporting them through transport.

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Nagado · 21/03/2023 00:18

Is anyone else thinking of that riddle where a farmer has a boat, a chicken, chicken feed and a fox, but hasn’t got room for all at the same time? If the Farmer was Belgian and substituted the fox for a wolf and the chicken for a bison, he could row them over to Dover and he wouldn’t even need the chicken feed.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/03/2023 00:19

I love wolves. They are my favourite animal. And even though I lived somewhere with wolves for a long time, I saw 0 of them. I saw whales and orca and bears and eagles and the like. But wolves keep themselves to themselves.

I would love to know why the OP is so obsessed with reintroductions (BISON?) because it seems an odd focus for what I'm sure is either trolling or MH concern.

Healthy, wild wolves, who aren't provoked don't kill humans. They just don't. And the bunnies and such will get back into balance. It's interesting that prey is better at the evolutionary race than predator. Because it's a meal to the predator but life to the prey. Which means it's really only humans that hunt to extinction. Except for things like dogs/rats and ground living birds.

Isledelaray · 21/03/2023 00:20

I once worked with a poor lady who was convinced she had seen a wolf roaming the streets of Hounslow. I suggested it could be a husky, only to be met with an insistence it was a wild wolf and she wouldn't be leaving the house after dark anymore.

I got slightly told off by my boss for saying actually, I do remember reading about a programme to reintroduce the wolf in Britain, starting in Hounslow.

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:20

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 21/03/2023 00:18

OP, do you even know where Belgium is? It's not landlocked

Only because of coastal erosion caused by the burgeoning giant rabbit population.

Wolves are the obvious solution here.

Excuse me I don’t understand your point. There are no wolves in the UK and no giant rabbits and therefore if reintroduced they would be an invasive on both counts. The society I can support tries to deal with the invasive such as crayfish but we don’t have the resource to continue on with this trajectory.

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deeplybaffled · 21/03/2023 00:20

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:18

Wolves are an invasive species and are likely to invade places they haven’t yet invaded and what’s really key is that other people agree with the proliferation and are supporting them through transport.

Maybe they can get BOGOF deals on Eurostar?

Kerfuffler · 21/03/2023 00:21

@MrsTerryPratchett have you never read Little Red Riding Hood?

LibrariansGiveUsPower · 21/03/2023 00:21

HoppsAndSpice · 21/03/2023 00:20

Excuse me I don’t understand your point. There are no wolves in the UK and no giant rabbits and therefore if reintroduced they would be an invasive on both counts. The society I can support tries to deal with the invasive such as crayfish but we don’t have the resource to continue on with this trajectory.

We have costal erosion here too, those damn rabbits, better get some wolves.

MrsTerryPratchett · 21/03/2023 00:21

Kerfuffler · 21/03/2023 00:21

@MrsTerryPratchett have you never read Little Red Riding Hood?

OK once. Once a wolf ate a person.

The exception that proves the rule.

Notegoat · 21/03/2023 00:22

So the real issue is how do we get the wolves to focus on the crayfish.

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