To NOT use the new wonder drug Ozempic??

[Poopoolittlekitten]

It’s the one that you inject once a week and has amazing weight loss results for most people.
DP has been hinting heavily that I should try it, they would support me, cost would be irrelevant if I wanted to use it ( about £150 a month in the U.K. on private prescription)

I am 100 LBs overweight. I do need to do something about it, although at the moment I don’t have many issues to do with weight , yet. No diabetes, no pre diabetes, blood pressure normal etc but I would qualify for the drug on weight alone.

I am hesitant because I have heard about ‘the rebound’ where studies have shown that most people who stop the drug after a year, pile ALL weight back on very quickly. Plus, side affects.

YABU - try it you need something drastic, short term gain will be worth it

YANBU - you need to have major lifestyle changes and not ‘cheat’ with a drug

I’d rather spend that £150 a month on a decent meal delivery service that would teach me proper meals, calories and portion control.

You know proper meals, calories and portion control!

Everyone does

People are not fat through lack of knowledge, we're fat because we like eating food, nice food, too much food.

No shit but everyone needs a helping hand every now and again because there’s only so much mental load to deal with when raising a family

im a single mum and a carer. Outsourcing food planning is worth it. I have no choice to opt for easy because I’m exhausted.

I don’t know the OPs situation but if it’s the same for her then it’s a sound choice.

If you don't mind me asking, how did you find the period after surgery when you could start eating again? Was it a struggle to change your habits?

'I’d rather spend that £150 a month on a decent meal delivery service that would teach me proper meals, calories and portion control.'

Astonishingly I already know about proper meals, calories and portion control.

I have 2 kids who mainly eat healthy, home cooked well-balanced meals - cooked by me and DW. That's not the issue.

Ah yes, we're all fat because we're stupid and don't know what a balanced diet is or how much we should be eating.

Let me guess...you've never been obese.

Oh I dont disagree, outsourcing meal planning is great, but I took from your post that you were saying that your problem is that you dont understand or know about portion control and calories. My mistake if thats not what you meant

Im sure Im not unusual in obese women that I can accurately calorie count just by eyeballing stuff after decades of it all.

I don't know why you're getting defensive about @HellsCominWithMe - she's made a valid suggestion. If you get pre-prepared melas or recipes provided it means you can take the first step to a lifestyle change as they're there ready and waiting.

But it does. My bloke’s got it on the NHS for diabetes. He’s effortlessly lost 20lb so far. I’m so envious I’m debating stealing it out of the fridge.

It's the assumption that we're overweight because we don't cook proper meals, know what a healthy diet is or know what a healthy portion is that gets me really riled up. FWIW we use mindful chef for 5 meals a week and have for over a year. I've also tried hello fresh and gusto but didn't like either that much.

@Oigetoffmylawn she was just saying that's what she'd do. She hasn't suggested that people are overweight because they're uneducated.

People are overweight for a whole number of reasons but poor diet is one of the most common.

If you’ve had 100lb to lose for some time and haven’t yet lost anything then I’d personally think about it.

Its great your health is unaffected at the moment however when obesity related problems kick in, they tend to get quite bad, quite quickly. And we can’t avoid aging, so it’s likely to happen eventually.

If however you feel you can achieve getting to a healthier weight by diet and lifestyle overhaul then great! Go for it.

The “piling” it back on effect is very common with any weight loss programme which does not address the wider issues at play (slimming world / shakes / fasting etc). So the injections are not alone in that aspect

And that's why people hate it. Because it is virtually effortless. In the same way that maintaining my BMI of 21 was effortless for 15 years! I just didn't realise how effortless it was, until it wasn't. I just assumed I was better at managing cravings, better at portion control and just overall better than people who were overweight. How wrong I was 😆

That's actually a falacy. Due to ozempic, there's been a significant increase in medical research in to obesity and it's finding that biological causes of obesity leads to poor diet, not the other way around. And whilst improved diet will reduce BMI, it will not cure the underlying causes of obesity. Similar to how you're never a recovered alcoholic, only a recovering one.

Sorry, I should say "due to drugs like ozempic" not specifically ozempic.

My favourite foods were massive greasy burgers , pork ribs savoury fatty foods . I don't have a very sweet tooth it was huge portions of greasy food. I had one pork rib the other night and nearly threw up from the discomfort and I'm years out. It basically stops me gorging on my favourite foods. It's probably a bit less effective for people with a very sweet tooth.

Oh wow @Oigetoffmylawn, thanks for that. I'm going to do some reading! That'll teach me to spout off won't it

Thanks @Fifi0000 - that's interesting to know. It's something I've always wondered about.

Bet you thought losing weight was just eating less and moving about more too 😂

Your post is really refreshing. Thank you.

Fuck off with your sweeping judgement. But seems as you’ve asked I’ve been close to 20 stone. I’m now around 15 stone it was at 17 before Xmas. I’ve been Clinically obese. I lost 3.5 stone in 2020/2022 just through diet changes but even I’m not naive enough to assume I have nothing new to learn.

with diet, nutrition and mental health there’s always things to learn about yourself and your body and what works and what no longer does.

there’s new research coming out from ZOE about gut microbiome health, diet diversity (30 different types of plant matter is working towards optimal from what I read) is another tool in weight loss goals but also permanently keeping the weight off that few obese people manage to do. Like myself. losing weight and knowing how is the easy bit imo. The hardest part is keeping it off long term.

My weight has gone up and down and going back to meal kits to relearn portion control can help. As I’m aging and approaching peri menopause what diet and portion sizes worked in my 20s and on contraceptives with a clock work 28day cycle and no PMS doesn’t work in my late 30s not on contraceptives with god awful PMS, hormonal migraines and insomnia every month.(no I won’t use contraceptives because I’ll have a stroke) Sticking to an 1800 calorie a day limit every day won’t work for me now. 3/4 weeks I can eat 1500-1600 a day absolutely fine but week before my period I’m hangry as fuck on less that 2000.

im losing weight AND I’m using meal delivery kits when life becomes obnoxious enough I need the help because life is overwhelming and i need refresh on portion control. It’s my way to keep my shit together and remain consistent When life gets hard.

but like you said I’ve never been obese and think all fat people are stupid so what would I know 🤷🏻‍♀️

Absolutely! I 100% own and apologize for my total ignorance.

The science about obesity says it's an illness. Even if you do lose weight your body is programmed to put it back on, something like 95 percent of obese people lose then regain. There's complex hormones involved our bodies haven't evolved from when food was scarce. Even if you do lose weight you are always in recovery . So even with ozempic there's a high chance you will have to take it for the rest of your life and that's very pricey.

I hate the line "when you start eating normally you'll put it all back on"

It's always used for things like this and meal replacement diets but it's the same with any weight loss method, if you go back to eating what you did before then it course you'll put it back on but if you stick to a sensible diet then you won't.

I lost 4 stone in 4 months on the Cambridge diet a few years ago and kept it off for a good while but then regained a lot when I had 2 kids and started greatly overeating again.

I've also regained it after slimming world, weight watchers, calorie counting etc
For those of us with overeating issues it's the maintaining that is the hard bit.

Regarding Ozempic I've also tried it but it didn't suit me as it gave me awful diarrhoea, it did really suppress my appetite though, I likened it to morning sickness, it made me feel slightly queasy all day so I didn't have the urge to eat much so I was having my meals but not picking in between.
A couple of my friends didn't get the diarrhoea side effect and have had great results.

@DuckWithOneWing can you please link to the thread, I can't find it!