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AIBU?

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"It's their birthright"

38 replies

Bucketheadbucketbum · 09/03/2023 11:52

YABU - not everyone is born equal

YANBU - the concept of anything (other than basic human rights) being predetermined at birth is beyond entitled

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Bucketheadbucketbum · 09/03/2023 11:54

Personally I feel the hypocrisy is beyond unbelievable. Time to go.

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LaFemmeDamnee · 09/03/2023 11:55

Both of your sentences are true. It would be great if everyone was born equal but they aren't. Not even close. And huge numbers of people in wealthier countries believe that they are born entitled to certain things that are a complete fantasy for others - housing, health care, education, a decent diet and clean water, women's rights etc.

Rumplestrumpet · 09/03/2023 11:57

What are you talking about?

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 09/03/2023 11:57

Everyone is equally important, and should have the same rights.

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Bucketheadbucketbum · 09/03/2023 11:57

Yes i agree the reality is sadly thus.

I'm talking ideologically though. How can you lay such aggressive claim via concept of "birthright" whilst trying to promote yourself as a modern woke. It stinks.

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MelchiorsMistress · 09/03/2023 11:58

People aren’t born equal because they have parents, and what parents have, do or achieve before having children cannot be ignored.

In theory we all have exactly the same rights, but in reality we have what our parents (or our state) provides us with.

Mochudubh · 09/03/2023 11:59

Is this another H&M thread?

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VictorStrand · 09/03/2023 12:01

I've asked MN to move your thread to the relevant section. This isn't it.

ItsHannahBackwards · 09/03/2023 12:03

The Royal Family should be got rid of, it’s a ridiculous and outdated concept.

Having an issue with only Harry and Meghan is stupid though.

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Bucketheadbucketbum · 09/03/2023 12:03

VictorStrand · 09/03/2023 12:01

I've asked MN to move your thread to the relevant section. This isn't it.

Ok. What section is that and why? Thank you

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GMOOH2023 · 09/03/2023 12:08

Ok. What section is that and why?

The royal family section (or, at a stretch, "news")

AIBU doesn't need another H&M thread.

ReneBumsWombats · 09/03/2023 12:08

Bucketheadbucketbum · 09/03/2023 12:03

Ok. What section is that and why? Thank you

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The Royal Family section, I assume.

It is her birthright, in that that's the system and how it works. I believe it's up to the parents whether children use prince and princess titles before they're 18, though, when they're not in the direct line of succession.

But it does look odd given how much time they've spent distancing themselves from the Royal Family.

I used to like them and was supportive of their departure, but they're starting to annoy me.

Greensleeves · 09/03/2023 12:11

VictorStrand · 09/03/2023 12:01

I've asked MN to move your thread to the relevant section. This isn't it.

I disagree. This isn't a thread specifically about the RF, it's about the principle of inherited power/status/wealth, and could refer to the HoL or other non-elected institutions, or the system of inheritance generally. It's also a poll, which means AIBU.

I hope MNHQ don't move it, that would be weird.

Kitchenette · 09/03/2023 12:13

H&M are as interested in distancing themselves from the Royal Family as I am in distancing myself from Vincent Cassel. Their whole selling point is the Royal Family.

x2boys · 09/03/2023 12:14

ItsHannahBackwards · 09/03/2023 12:03

The Royal Family should be got rid of, it’s a ridiculous and outdated concept.

Having an issue with only Harry and Meghan is stupid though.

This ,the I can't stand the hate over H&M and the fawning over wi!liam and Kate and their kids ,get rid of all of them but why just pick onH&M?

RichardHeed · 09/03/2023 12:15

Greensleeves · 09/03/2023 12:11

I disagree. This isn't a thread specifically about the RF, it's about the principle of inherited power/status/wealth, and could refer to the HoL or other non-elected institutions, or the system of inheritance generally. It's also a poll, which means AIBU.

I hope MNHQ don't move it, that would be weird.

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Of course it is. She even linked to an article about H&M. OP thought she was being clever and not outright mentioning what the fucking hell she was flapping her gums about, but it was screamingly obviously and some of us are sick to the back teeth of the insane amount of chatter about these people. It doesn’t behove MN to have their most popular board filled up with RF chat no matter how you dress it up.

Comedycook · 09/03/2023 12:16

Who cares?! Seriously. It's does not affect you one jot. Chill out and stop getting angry at random shit that doesn't matter because the media is telling you to.

boingboingboingboing · 09/03/2023 12:19

It is their birthright though - that's literally what the word means.
Like my birthright is to have the surname of my parents.

Focusing on H and M is weird and fixated. The whole royal family work in this basis AND
The royal family are just the most visible part of a whole system where the rich and powerful pass on titles and property to their descendents.

Now, whether it's legitimate that some people have more inherited wealth and power than others is fair is a different question.
Of course that's not fair - but it's been the same since we were cavemen.
On an evolutionary level women select mates that have more resources or appear to be able to gain them (strong tall fit etc) - in order to provide for their offspring.
Men select women who appear to have good fertility characteristics.

mondaytosunday · 09/03/2023 12:21

I'm not sure every one is equal. Not talking about royalty - I don't believe they have any more entitlement than anyone else. And I suppose at birth we start out as equal, even if not given the same opportunities.
But as grown people I do value more those, in the same society, who do more, whether that's being a good parent, a great teacher, or running a decent business that employs people, as opposed to those who do not much by way of contributing to the world and moan about their lot in life.

Prettybutdumb · 09/03/2023 12:24

Makes me think about all the anti-immigration sentiment. ‘You can’t come to this land - only people who were actually born here are allowed! It’s their birthright!!!’

‘the concept of anything (other than basic human rights) being predetermined at birth is beyond entitled’ - not quite, is it?

ChunkaMunkaBoomBoom · 09/03/2023 12:27

AND this is why we need to get rid of these parasites - all of them. The idea that Charles is head of state because of his birth is fu King ridiculous.

MartiniFlan · 09/03/2023 12:28

What I don't understand is how Harry can complain that 'there's a hierarchy within the royal family' (duh) while simultaneously either not realising or not caring that there's also a hierarchy outside the royal family that the royals are at the top of. So it seems he's someone who only resents hierarchy when he (or his children) are not right at the top. And I'm not sure how actively choosing to use titles (which I know they have the right to do) gels with 'linked not ranked' etc. It's almost like he knows he doesn't really have any talent or USP outside of being royal, so he has to cling onto the emblems of the thing that he professes to hate, has ruined his life, etc. I completely believe that life inside the royal family might be awful and would totally understand someone wanting to separate themself from it. But banging the 'royal family is so awful' drum at the same time as playing the 'but please use my title and acknowledge my status that stems from that awful thing' pipe is a bit odd.

Ceryneianhind · 09/03/2023 12:42

Mochudubh · 09/03/2023 11:59

Is this another H&M thread?

oh FFS

ReneBumsWombats · 09/03/2023 12:44

Focusing on H and M is weird and fixated. The whole royal family work in this basis

Yes, but the others don't complain about how terrible it is and stop working as royals and move across the Atlantic...while still insisting on using titles and capitalising on it.

They're pretty upfront about accepting how it works and doing their duty, such as it is. And Edward and Anne, who could have used prince and princess titles for their children, chose not to (I know Anne didn't have the same automatic right as Edward but she's spoken about it and been clear she could have had it as an option, but didn't).

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