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Is the Future Female?

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SleepingStandingUp · 06/03/2023 09:59

Looking at the International Women's merchant in our local supermarket, all emblazoned with THE FUTURE IS FEMALE and wondering what message that would send my sons and nephews or my mainly male Beavers?

Does it not matter cos they'll just grow into men and therefore their male privilege overwrites their feelings?

Is it better this way, that they know most women would prefer them to become obsolete?
Or is it just lazy marketing and I'm not the only one who wouldn't touch something that pushes for a lack of equality the other way?

Yabu- the future IS female
Yanbu- the future should be equality

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Randomhead · 06/03/2023 18:31

My kids know that if they fail at something it's because they didn't work hard enough, not because of some external factor (eg someone else's supposed privilege) held them back

@ElonsMusky do you understand what privilege is? It means however hard your kids work, unless they have it they will never do as well as some people. Plenty of people work extremely hard and have nothing

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 06/03/2023 19:06

lifeturnsonadime · 06/03/2023 13:28

As others have posted up thread please, if you believe in women's rights, consider signing the petition linked on this thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4722618-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-2?page=38&reply=124420751

It's really important.

Women's rights are currently under thread due to a lack of clarity in the Equality Act, the debate requested in this petition is so important.

Thank you for adding the link, you are a marvel. I've added a signature and wrote to my local mp. The irony is that he is extremely sexist and the punchline of last joke he told was "she asked me to sign her t!ts!" In a roomful of 50/50 men & women I ask you!! 🤨

WorkHardPlayHard1 · 06/03/2023 19:12

@Brefugee and @turnsonadime well said and am with you #sisterhood 😊

Ontobetterthings · 06/03/2023 19:19

This is so sad! It's international women's day and they brought out some merchandise bigging up women. The op can't stand it and whinging about her sons! Women and girls have a long way to go before we get equality. Don't be threatened. I am also a mother of a son and in no way offended.

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 06/03/2023 19:24

BourbonBon · 06/03/2023 10:01

I hate this shit. In order to promote women’s rights we’re now shitting boys and men.

No the future is not female, it’s equality

Or even better; equity!

JonahAndTheSnail · 06/03/2023 19:28

*I hate this shit. In order to promote women’s rights we’re now shitting boys and men.

No the future is not female, it’s equality*

100%. I'm sceptical of the effectiveness of any pro rights campaign that encourages people to focus unecessary attention to differences in people be it sex, race, gender, etc. If social media is anything to go by, it just encourages extremists from both ends of the scale to be unecessarily hateful. Just be respectful of other people fullstop.

TheWayItAllWouldGo · 06/03/2023 20:21

Whether people want to admit it or not, there is a huge power imbalance between men and women.

Men are sitting at the top. They have more power, control, and choices than women do. This is always as it has been from day one.

I want equality just as much as the next woman, but since the powers that be aren't too concerned with closing the gender pay gap, making sure women and girls have safe spaces, and locking up abusive men in the appropriate prison, we have to stand up for these things ourselves or they will never change.

Why should women sit back obediently and have their rights stripped away and not say a word? This isn't about "shitting on boys and men", this is about women not being treated like 2nd class citizens just for being women.

You keep bleating on about equality like its just going to fall out of the sky and make the world a wonderful place that ensures women and girls have the same opportunities, rights and respect that men and boys are born with.

In an ideal world would be lovely, but let's not pretend that men are going merrily hand over the reins to women, because why would they do that when it benefits them so much already to have most of the control?

Women have been silenced enough throughout history. They have been beaten, raped, shunned, abused, set on fire because they are the "weaker sex".

If they want a slogan that makes them feel impowered and important let them have it. It doesn't infringe on men's right in any way at all.

Randomhead · 06/03/2023 21:26

Timely. Gender equality is 300 years away on present trajectory. I’d worry more about that than an Asda water bottle

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/mar/06/antonio-guterres-un-general-assembly-gender-equality

moviesanddonuts · 07/03/2023 18:07

"My kids know that if they fail at something it's because they didn't work hard enough, not because of some external factor (eg someone else's supposed privilege) held them back."

@ElonsMusky This is a really odd thing to teach your children about how the world works. Of course there is privilege in the world and of course it unfairly advantages certain people / demographics – it always has and, sadly, always will. Tbh all you're teaching your children is to have a fairly blinkered view of the world and that anyone who doesn't achieve what they do just "didn't work hard enough". It might be better to teach them to understand their own privilege instead – whatever that may be – and to recognise how others may be less privileged and how that may affect their chances in life.

This video is really good at explaining how privilege and social inequality works in the real world:

ElonsMusky · 08/03/2023 01:15

Randomhead · 06/03/2023 18:31

My kids know that if they fail at something it's because they didn't work hard enough, not because of some external factor (eg someone else's supposed privilege) held them back

@ElonsMusky do you understand what privilege is? It means however hard your kids work, unless they have it they will never do as well as some people. Plenty of people work extremely hard and have nothing

excuses.

CremeEggQueen · 08/03/2023 02:11

BourbonBon · 06/03/2023 10:01

I hate this shit. In order to promote women’s rights we’re now shitting boys and men.

No the future is not female, it’s equality

This

CremeEggQueen · 08/03/2023 02:15

Notimeforaname · 06/03/2023 18:13

I fuckin hope the future isn't 'female'. We need men as much as we need women.

I agree with this too.
We need a society with both (preferably equal!)

SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2023 13:58

ChunkaMunkaBoomBoom · 06/03/2023 18:09

'The picture is also fairly depressing. 'The Future is Female', as long as it's pink and his glitter on it. and all the hands have pretty painted nails on the bags and key chains.'

Make your mind up - one minute you're hand wringing over men rights and the future of boys unnecessarily and the next you're some kind of feminist objecting t0 pink and glitter?

You can't have it both ways.

Oh sorry, missed you're the police if how many opinions I'm allowed. Its a new day, do let me know if I'm allowed an opinion on something else today eh?

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SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2023 14:00

ElonsMusky · 08/03/2023 01:15

excuses.

You must live a very narrow life if you think all kids have the same access of opportunity, and the same opportunities to succeed. Perhaps your kids do have sufficient privilege that anything they fail at is a lack of effort, but you know the world is made of lots of different people right?

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ConcordeOoter · 08/03/2023 14:07

most women would prefer them to become obsolete?

If a man would prefer women to be obsolete, that's a non-viable man who's a bit pathetic, right?

Why assume boys growing up will see it any different? Smile and nod at the future spinster, maybe not so much be worried about your future which won't feature them.

Beowulfa · 08/03/2023 15:10

ElonsMusky · 08/03/2023 01:15

excuses.

I'm minded of Chimamanda Ngozi Adiche's We Should All Be Feminists; she relates how as a schoolgirl in Nigeria the teacher offered a prize to the student who did best in a test. When she got the highest score the teacher said "of course I meant the highest scoring boy", and gave the boy who came second the award.

ElonsMusky · 08/03/2023 20:08

SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2023 14:00

You must live a very narrow life if you think all kids have the same access of opportunity, and the same opportunities to succeed. Perhaps your kids do have sufficient privilege that anything they fail at is a lack of effort, but you know the world is made of lots of different people right?

I never said everyone has the same opportunities. That's just life. I've had more opportunities than some people and far less than others. I was raised to ignore that shit and work hard. Generally first person in the office and last to leave. It's paid off. I do know a lot of people who do the bare minimum and then whine about their apparent lack of "privilege" though. I don't try to cut other people down or denigrate other people's accomplishments just because I'm jealous of them. But that's just me. I totally get the temptation to always hide behind a sense of victimhood. It's easier, although not typically fruitful. But what would my black ass know about privilege, right? But do tell me, liberal white woman, about how oppressed and unprivileged I am.

SleepingStandingUp · 08/03/2023 20:33

ElonsMusky · 08/03/2023 20:08

I never said everyone has the same opportunities. That's just life. I've had more opportunities than some people and far less than others. I was raised to ignore that shit and work hard. Generally first person in the office and last to leave. It's paid off. I do know a lot of people who do the bare minimum and then whine about their apparent lack of "privilege" though. I don't try to cut other people down or denigrate other people's accomplishments just because I'm jealous of them. But that's just me. I totally get the temptation to always hide behind a sense of victimhood. It's easier, although not typically fruitful. But what would my black ass know about privilege, right? But do tell me, liberal white woman, about how oppressed and unprivileged I am.

It's a massive stretch to make my comment a racism comment given a. what the actual words say b. us knowing nothing about each other.

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