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How to make my ex sort his sh*t out?

26 replies

eligkab · 04/03/2023 18:14

Separated from my ex since December 2021. Still lives with his mum, sleeps on her sofa or any spare bed that’s going if one of his siblings are out. Won’t have our children overnight there (7 & 3 YO) so at the moment arrangement is he has them a couple of nights a week for a few hours for dinner and one day at the weekend. I find it hard to do anything because of this, yes I go to the gym/do anything else I need to do at the weekend on the one day he has them, but i feel so restricted on anything I do. He has no motivation to move out of his mums, he’s just seeing it as not a problem, not arsed about it. He doesn’t pay her rent, he gets his washing & dinner cooked.. so gets a simple life there. He can’t not afford to move out, he earns a substantial amount so renting his own place is an option..

I don’t know how I’m supposed to move on and live my life when I’m still in this predicament and also don’t know how to go about things.. not sure what I’m getting at here really just needed to rant and put it out there to see if anyone can help.

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SquirrelSoShiny · 04/03/2023 18:16

You can't make him. He sounds utterly pathetic but there's literally no way you can compel him to grow up.

Murdoch1949 · 04/03/2023 18:18

He's not your problem any more. If he wants to sofa surf he can. Get an official contact order so you know where you stand. You need to concentrate on your own life rather than obsessing about his rather sad existence. I'd be happy that my children weren't staying overnight with him at his overcrowded parent's house.

wildseas · 04/03/2023 18:26

Have you applied for maintenance? They calculate maintenance on the basis of nights so often this pushes towards overnights as it reduces amount.

The best thing you can do is set your life up so that you don’t need him. He sounds enough of a twat that he’ll always be a bit shit, so this will save you years of hassle!

EG if going to the gym is important to you then book the kids into regular swimming lessons and go to the gym whilst they’re at swimming. Or find a gym with childcare. Or ask a friend to do childcare swaps so you get a couple of hours to yourselves each. Etc

Its frustrating but so much better than living your life round him!!!!

eligkab · 04/03/2023 18:30

Just so annoying that everything falls to me because he just can’t be bothered to sort his shit out and share the responsibility of our kids!! Can’t do anything in the week because by the time I’ve finished worked/made dinner etc the kids will be home. I love my kids to death but I can’t live like this.. suppose I’ll just have too won’t I 😡annoys me how he just gets the choice whether or not to take responsibility.

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MintJulia · 04/03/2023 18:30

You can't. He's an ex for a reason. All you can do is put in a cms claim that means he has to contribute to your keeping them seven days a week.

My ex has managed 6 hours a week for the last 12 years. He has our ds 20 nights a year maximum.

All you can do is build your new life assuming you will have no help from your ex. You can make it work.

eligkab · 04/03/2023 18:36

But how am I supposed to live my life now when I’m so restricted on what I can do!! Can’t have a social life at all unless I ask his ‘permission’ to go out on a weekend. Which would also mean him staying here with the kids - BAD idea. UGHH! He also pays CM (although picks and chooses what he gives me depending on what ‘bills’ are going out that month for him - HA’

OP posts:
Howyiz · 04/03/2023 18:49

eligkab · 04/03/2023 18:36

But how am I supposed to live my life now when I’m so restricted on what I can do!! Can’t have a social life at all unless I ask his ‘permission’ to go out on a weekend. Which would also mean him staying here with the kids - BAD idea. UGHH! He also pays CM (although picks and chooses what he gives me depending on what ‘bills’ are going out that month for him - HA’

Why on earth have you not set an amount for child maintenance every month especially as you also say "he earns a substantial amount"

Get him to pay child maintenance and hire in help. Babysitter etc.

Rainbowqueeen · 04/03/2023 19:03

Commiserations OP. He’s a bad un.

All you can do is set up your own support network of friends and family and ask cms to collect maintenance for you. Pay for a babysitter, don’t rely on him. He clearly loves the control he is having over you

Yes it sucks But try and reframe it in your mind. You’re not a loser who is sleeping on mums couch. You are building a close and loving relationship with your DC whereas ge is unlikely to ever see them as adults. You are being an amazing role model for your DC

airofkfoeksowlwomfo · 04/03/2023 19:09

Howyiz · 04/03/2023 18:49

Why on earth have you not set an amount for child maintenance every month especially as you also say "he earns a substantial amount"

Get him to pay child maintenance and hire in help. Babysitter etc.

@eligkab I understand that you’re trying to help the OP but do you have any idea how difficult it is to get a useless dad like this to step up?

My ex-h hasn’t paid a penny in years. He either massively under reports his self-employed income or racks up huge arrears with the CMS that he simply doesn’t pay and they don’t bother chasing.

That said - I do recommend at least having something formal from the CMS in place they can deal with him.

OP - I’m in a very similar position.

This is what I do to help:

I have joined a gym with a creche. It’s more expensive but worth it for the childcare.

I do babysitting exchanges with a few friends so every so often I’ll babysit for a friend and they return the favour.

We have girls night’s in so I can socialise. A friend who is also a single mum will come around for a takeaway and we’ll stay up with a bottle of wine after the kids fall asleep. It’s not the same as going out but it means I don’t feel isolated.

In the past I’ve used Childcare.com or staff from the kids’ nurseries to babysit.

Frolo is a great place to meet single parents and meetups often include kids.

Finally, give up thinking that you can make up be a decent dad. He never will be and I’m guessing that contributed to your split. The minute you stop expecting anything and put things in place for your own life, you’ll feel a lot happier and less stuck.

I 100% understand that we shouldn’t have to accept shitty fathers for our kids but these men will never change - my ex-h has been sleeping on his brother’s sofa for years - it’s best to not let it get you down.

Stomacharmeleon · 04/03/2023 19:09

Sorting your maintenance out officially might incentivise him to sort his shit out.

PennyRa · 04/03/2023 19:10

People who have their kids 100% of the time happily go about living their lives. Just embrace the 20(?) Hours a week you have to yourself as a bonus

airofkfoeksowlwomfo · 04/03/2023 19:10

Rainbowqueeen · 04/03/2023 19:03

Commiserations OP. He’s a bad un.

All you can do is set up your own support network of friends and family and ask cms to collect maintenance for you. Pay for a babysitter, don’t rely on him. He clearly loves the control he is having over you

Yes it sucks But try and reframe it in your mind. You’re not a loser who is sleeping on mums couch. You are building a close and loving relationship with your DC whereas ge is unlikely to ever see them as adults. You are being an amazing role model for your DC

Love this.

You worded it a lot better than me!

I tell myself the same about my ex.

My life isn’t what I planned but at least I’m not a loser 😂

LaurieFairyCake · 04/03/2023 19:13

Go through CMS and spend however much of the money you can spare on babysitting so you can have a life

Do NOT show at all any frustration at him barely having them, if anything say it's not convenient so he actually asks for more time Wink

You've got to be more of a clever cunt to catch a cunt

Spiderboy · 04/03/2023 19:17

PennyRa · 04/03/2023 19:10

People who have their kids 100% of the time happily go about living their lives. Just embrace the 20(?) Hours a week you have to yourself as a bonus

Sadly I do not know any single parents who “happily” go about their lives. It is stressful, exhausting and overwhelming and sometimes impossible when you are entirely alone. OP is not being unreasonable to expect her child’s parents to share responsibility

PennyRa · 04/03/2023 19:19

Spiderboy · 04/03/2023 19:17

Sadly I do not know any single parents who “happily” go about their lives. It is stressful, exhausting and overwhelming and sometimes impossible when you are entirely alone. OP is not being unreasonable to expect her child’s parents to share responsibility

That's ridiculous. Many even chose to be a solo parent

eligkab · 04/03/2023 19:26

Thanks all, I think I’ll set up CMS. He’s a narcissist so will try and be difficult and make my life difficult if I do which is why I haven’t till now.

I also have to tread lightly with him because he will use the kids against me if I do anything to annoy him. Aka - talk through the kids to me, so will tell them what to tell me, even in front of me. He’s an idiot

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fajitaaaa · 04/03/2023 19:32

Sort out CMS. Let him apply for court ordered visitation if he can be arsed. Live your life as if he doesn't exist. Don't rely on his money. Or his time. Imagine he's pretty much dead.

Get any free nursery hour entitlement you can.

Whycanineverever · 04/03/2023 19:33

5 years on my ex is still at his mums. Only has them overnight at mine when I'm away with work or occasionally he stays at my families with them.

It's crap! He barely even takes them out the house when he sees them so I don't get much peace.

unicornsarereal72 · 04/03/2023 19:55

Yep I'm with the others. Don't depend on him for 'free time'. Make your own arrangements. Sadly my children's father bearly saw them for years. And hardly coughed up cms. Even though I went through the right channels. He was a regular job hopper.

I took him completely out of the equation. Got my own support network. Made plans with the kids and got on with life. I've loved every moment of it. He has stepped up now. Which is fab for the kids. I'm in different. He can do whatever he likes I have no opinion or interest

You got this. Once you know the cards you are playing with you will adapted and make it work for all of you.

MintJulia · 04/03/2023 20:34

You'll find other mums and swap babysitting. You'll build a network of family and friends, and you'll support each other. You'll stop even expecting him to help. What about your family?

Life will have a different pace, but not impossible.. I found I became much more organised, planned everything to the nth degree, but it didn't stop me having fun.

MintJulia · 04/03/2023 20:39

@Spiderboy Sadly I do not know any single parents who “happily” go about their lives. It is stressful, exhausting and overwhelming and sometimes impossible when you are entirely alone. OP is not being unreasonable to expect her child’s parents to share responsibility

This is absolutely not true. I've been a single mum for 12 years now. Life is good, so much better once had I left the selfish ex. DS and I have a happy, cheerful, relaxed home, we make a good team and I'm proud of what we have achieved.

Maybe you don't know many single parents.

Aiimeee · 04/03/2023 21:50

Do you have anyone to ask to babysit if you have a night out? This feels similar to a couple having kids and wanting to go out. 24/7 with your kids unless you ask for them to be minded overnight etc. I'd rather rely on a relative/friend for a night out rather than him.

Spiderboy · 05/03/2023 09:36

MintJulia · 04/03/2023 20:39

@Spiderboy Sadly I do not know any single parents who “happily” go about their lives. It is stressful, exhausting and overwhelming and sometimes impossible when you are entirely alone. OP is not being unreasonable to expect her child’s parents to share responsibility

This is absolutely not true. I've been a single mum for 12 years now. Life is good, so much better once had I left the selfish ex. DS and I have a happy, cheerful, relaxed home, we make a good team and I'm proud of what we have achieved.

Maybe you don't know many single parents.

12 years on, of course. In the early days you found everything breezy too? Wonderful for you

MintJulia · 05/03/2023 10:24

@Spiderboy '12 years on, of course. In the early days you found everything breezy too? Wonderful for you'

Yes, I did. It was the relief of not walking on eggshells. Of being able to relax without someone always looking to manipulate or control.

I wouldn't want the OP to think single parent life must automatically be miserable because it isn't.

Whycanineverever · 06/03/2023 15:49

MintJulia · 05/03/2023 10:24

@Spiderboy '12 years on, of course. In the early days you found everything breezy too? Wonderful for you'

Yes, I did. It was the relief of not walking on eggshells. Of being able to relax without someone always looking to manipulate or control.

I wouldn't want the OP to think single parent life must automatically be miserable because it isn't.

Same here. My life improved immediately. There was no negative presence in the house.

I just got on with doing stuff by myself which I was pretty much doing anyway.

The only stressful issues were him ranting at me as if I was personally responsible for the courts not moving as fast as he wanted.