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Covering up mirrors in school toilets with body positive messages

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Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:18

I love this! There seems to be outright fury in much of the British press where it has happened, but no school girl ( or boy) needs to look in a mirror during the school day.

And the anti make up messages that are being used in many cases give me hope that the tyranny of make up may be losing it's hold

I hate seeing girls fall into it's clutches - beautiful young girls taking on skin-care regimes before they are even teenagers! and needing to cover their faces with crap before they leave the house.

I really hope this movement spreads - lets take down all mirrors in all school toilets

aleteia.org/2017/04/05/high-school-replaces-mirrors-in-girls-bathroom-with-love-notes/

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Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:35

SimplySipping · 03/03/2023 10:34

Any hijabi girls who need to check their hair is covered? Or are tyrannical skin care regimes just more important than students being able to present themselves as modestly as they wish to?

also don't need mirrors

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WandaWonder · 03/03/2023 10:36

Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:35

well I have family in the USA who have been seeing this grow for the last 5 years

In between signs on gun safety?

DoorstoManual · 03/03/2023 10:36

At our local outstanding school makeup is allowed for both sexes, it has yet to affect the YP’s or the results.

However there was a spate of lipstick kisses on the mirrors which are seemingly difficult to clean, so the fabulous headmaster arranged an assembly and asked the estate team to come along and tell the pupils how they cleaned the mirrors.

They stick the mop down the toilet and apply to the mirror liberally, it stopped overnight. Grin

sashagabadon · 03/03/2023 10:37

God just let the girls look in the bloody mirrors if they want to.

acquiescence · 03/03/2023 10:38

I’m not sure about these sort of ‘toxic positivity’ messages.
How does this make the child feel who is utterly miserable?
Who has experienced some recent or ongoing trauma? I remember teens talking about ‘positive vibes only!’ memes shared when they were having a horrendous time and how it felt awful and isolating.

’Smile, stay positive!’

This sort of message has just as much potential to damage vulnerable young people. It encourages feelings to be masked and covered and to not talk about difficulties.

titchy · 03/03/2023 10:38

What, you don't agree will allowing Muslim girls to check their hair coverings? Way to reduce access to education for muslim girls. Slow handclap....

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/03/2023 10:39

GreenWheat · 03/03/2023 10:34

How about we equip our kids with the skills navigate totally normal things instead of wrapping them up in cotton wool, leaving them unable to function as young adults? Bloody ridiculous.

Great point.
This is also the school that has removed the main doors to the toilets. They have a very patriarchal attitude towards children demonstrating minimal respect or ability to engage with adolescents.

I'd bet a lot of money that the mirrors and doors in their adult toilets are all present.

Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:39

titchy · 03/03/2023 10:38

What, you don't agree will allowing Muslim girls to check their hair coverings? Way to reduce access to education for muslim girls. Slow handclap....

they don't need mirrors to do it

I am wearing one right now

no mirror required

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Glittertwins · 03/03/2023 10:39

Have you got children in secondary school? Both male and female are as bad as eachother for checking hair etc

sashagabadon · 03/03/2023 10:39

GizmoIsSoFluffy · 03/03/2023 10:31

It was done because:
£2000 of damage caused by the children in the recently refurbed toilets.

The messages were used as a catalyst to spark a debate they were doing in English later that term.

The messages are only temporary, the student council are involved and have been asked to help come up with a solution as the school can't afford the damage.

Local school.

What was the damage caused? And why? Just damage in the girls loos?

EstellaHanclay · 03/03/2023 10:40

Ridiculous. Even when not wearing makeup I often use a mirror to...

  1. Remove something stuck in my eye
  2. assist with putting in allergy related eye drops
  3. moisturise my face and check it's gone in properly (dry skin)
  4. remove eye gunk
  5. check for boogers after blowing nose
  6. sort out a wayward eyelash poking my eyeball

and god forbid...
7) reapply lipgloss

My teen also has tics and checks to see if she is bleeding after having had a particular bad episode.

Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:41

EstellaHanclay · 03/03/2023 10:40

Ridiculous. Even when not wearing makeup I often use a mirror to...

  1. Remove something stuck in my eye
  2. assist with putting in allergy related eye drops
  3. moisturise my face and check it's gone in properly (dry skin)
  4. remove eye gunk
  5. check for boogers after blowing nose
  6. sort out a wayward eyelash poking my eyeball

and god forbid...
7) reapply lipgloss

My teen also has tics and checks to see if she is bleeding after having had a particular bad episode.

anything urgent should be handled in the first aid room, anyway

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furryfrontbottom · 03/03/2023 10:43

Taking choices away from girls is sure to work out well for them isn't it?

Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:43

I think a lot of posters on here have fallen into the make up tyranny trap! Some people might struggle not to be able to look in a mirror for a few hours.

Why would you want to pass that repression on to your children? surely you would want them to grow up free of all that

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EstellaHanclay · 03/03/2023 10:45

The points I listed are not classed as urgent. Go to the first aid room? Instead of just looking in a mirror and sorting it out? Laughable.

cocksstrideintheevening · 03/03/2023 10:45

@Nimbostratus100 you are being completley ridiculous.

Women / girls / boys / men have always looked in mirrors. It not repression ffs.

PinkArt · 03/03/2023 10:45

FFS, no-one is 'wasting school time' by checking they don't have food in their braces, or that their hair is covered, or making sure there's no blood on their skirt, or wiping off a bit of pen they hadn't see on their cheek after they've gone for a wee. Nor would they be doing so if they did a 2 min make up repair at the same time.
The posters looked pretty awful from what I've seen of them. Very focused on the male gaze. Yes it would be great if no girls or women felt the need to wear make up. But there is a lot of work that society needs to do there before shouting at teenagers that they're only wearing it to attract boys - it definitely wasn't why any of us wore it at my all girls school.

UpUpAndAwol · 03/03/2023 10:46

Nope. They need to look in the mirror and confront their own reflection. Hold their head up and know that they are good enough.

Not hide away from their own skin. It’s akin to hiding from who you are.

Idtotallybangdreamoftheendlessnotgonnalie · 03/03/2023 10:46

There's always two choices:

  • change society
  • punish girls for reacting to the society they live in.

You can't hold up appearance to be the be all and end all in the media and then expect a child not to absorb and emulate that. You're punishing the wrong person.

Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:46

EstellaHanclay · 03/03/2023 10:45

The points I listed are not classed as urgent. Go to the first aid room? Instead of just looking in a mirror and sorting it out? Laughable.

removing something stuck in your eye, administering eye drops, checking for injury after a bad episode of tic, none of that should be happening in the school toilet

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DoorstoManual · 03/03/2023 10:46

@Nimbostratus100

Did nobody warn you about drinking the Kool Aid. Grin

FatGirlSwim · 03/03/2023 10:47

I agreed with your opening post but your subsequent posts are ridiculous. I also don’t know any school that bans make up, but maybe that’s just round here.

FatGirlSwim · 03/03/2023 10:48

Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:46

removing something stuck in your eye, administering eye drops, checking for injury after a bad episode of tic, none of that should be happening in the school toilet

Don’t be silly, where would you go to do these things?

WetBandits · 03/03/2023 10:48

How fucking ridiculous 😂😂😂😂

Perhaps they’d like to check if they have a bit of lunch round their mouth, or maybe they can feel a nice big spot brewing that needs a squeeze. Or perhaps they just want to check their own reflection for any reason they want.

Nimbostratus100 · 03/03/2023 10:48

FatGirlSwim · 03/03/2023 10:47

I agreed with your opening post but your subsequent posts are ridiculous. I also don’t know any school that bans make up, but maybe that’s just round here.

I don't know any school that allows it

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