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No one gets narcissistic abuse

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PolyannaHanna · 26/02/2023 10:11

I'm trying to divorce a narcissistic H, but it's so so hard and unless you've been through this, no one genuinely understands. It literally makes you crazy and it's so lonely.

He's not physically abusive, but mentally and emotionally. He is two people. The kind, considerate one to the wider world, and a real sicko to me and the kids. No one believes me, or would believe me if i shared/when i share.

I've been waiting for him to move out since Dec. He wont. It's apparently my fault that he cant. I pay all household/kids expenses and literally cant buy myself food. He buys food for the kids, but blames me that its because of this that he doesn't move.

One week ago i asked him if he was attending a dcs sports day. It takes place where he works, and school needs parents for transfers. He could literally accompany the kids there at 9am (when he starts work anyways)..do work..and take them back at 12 on his lunch break. Ive been asking for a week if he can do that. The school is asking, they are 1 parent short. If they dont get enough, the whole day will be cancelled. Ive asked him every day for a week. He ignores me/the request. He enjoys the withhold. Who does this?! And if he eventually does it, i know he will put on his 'amazing dad' act and show off his amazingness to everyone.

Im supposed to parent with this person? How?! He is really such an amazing manipulator that truly no one believes me. He does it so subtly that it is me who looks awful for nagging, pressuring him for answers/commitments. At the last minute he always turns around and says calm down, no one died, you have anger management problems etc etc..

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Sarahcoggles · 27/02/2023 08:00

As someone else said I'd tell the school he's available and local, and give them his number and ask them to call him direct. I bet he won't say no to the school.

NattyNamechanger · 27/02/2023 08:06

Hi Op
You say no one sees him as he really is but you are also stepping in and giving him the means to manipulate you and cover his tracks.
Drop the rope, let him be who he is.
Have zero expectations.
There is an app My FamilyWizard which is recommended in cases like this.
All comms, schedules, calendar goes through the app and you can set who uses it so that , you give him the info then it's up to him.
Courts/ services can also have access so its blatantly clear if he's messing about.

worried4698643 · 27/02/2023 08:15

I believe you.

Stay strong. Ask for nothing and keep firm boundaries.

I found WhatsApp really intrusive, felt like he was always checking if I was online etc. i suggest email only for communication. You are in control when you check them and respond

CampervanKween · 27/02/2023 08:19

Could you perhaps shame him into responding by copying people in when you ask him things like this?

For example, copy in the school office and ask him to respond directly to them whether or not he can assist? Be sweet as pie.

NattyNamechanger · 27/02/2023 08:41

CampervanKween · 27/02/2023 08:19

Could you perhaps shame him into responding by copying people in when you ask him things like this?

For example, copy in the school office and ask him to respond directly to them whether or not he can assist? Be sweet as pie.

Shaming someone means you are still enmeshed and the only way to deal with someone like this is to detach emotionally.

It's a manipulative behaviour in itself.

He goes/ doesn't go 🤷🏼‍♀️ nothing to do with you.

Greatly · 27/02/2023 09:07

NattyNamechanger · 27/02/2023 08:41

Shaming someone means you are still enmeshed and the only way to deal with someone like this is to detach emotionally.

It's a manipulative behaviour in itself.

He goes/ doesn't go 🤷🏼‍♀️ nothing to do with you.

This. Don't feed it.

YukoandHiro · 27/02/2023 09:24

The you can turn off the online notification and read receipts for WhatsApp if you'd prefer

RudsyFarmer · 27/02/2023 09:27

I would keep a diary from today and detail every single gas lighting and mentally abusive thing he does. I’d do it for my own sanity and potentially evidence for the future.

NattyNamechanger · 27/02/2023 09:30

Greatly · 27/02/2023 09:07

This. Don't feed it.

I should acknowledge that it's extremely hard to do this and usually counselling is helpful and it takes time to relearn your responses.
Acknowledging your own behaviours ( that make you susceptible) is the only way forward.
Programmes like The Freedom Programme can help.
The way it can be described I'd that you are a puppet on a string, helpless and manipulated by the Narc.
The strings are your responses and behaviours.
He is at the top yanking them.
He will neverchange.
Nothing you do will ever change his behaviour .
You have to understand and change your own

TeamadIshbel · 27/02/2023 09:31

Have you got a lawyer, if so instruct them to start proceedings to get him out the home. If you don't, then strongly advise you to get one.

PolyannaHanna · 27/02/2023 09:59

Other parents have volunteered, so this is no longer an issue. I do feel annoyed with myself that i let this get under my skin. Ive been doing so well (and detached), but somehow i lost my cool this time..

Ive just texted him and matter-od-factly asked to let me know how he would like to divide assets and custody (we are in the process of sorting it out). He doesnt like my suggestions, so ive just kicked the ball back to him. I am done now with trying to co-operative since hes not. Its up to him now.. lets see if he just f*s off like some of you have suggested when asked to take some actual responsibility 😄

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CrotchetyQuaver · 27/02/2023 10:04

I have z brother like this so understand the issue.

It took me years but the only advice is DO NOT ENGAGE don't ask if possible and definitely don't react whatever they do. They soon get bored.
Just counting down the weeks now until I can hopefully cut him out of my life for good

chipswitheveryting · 27/02/2023 10:17

Ok so buy him out asap!!! Get a valuation, prices are lower now so you could get it at a more reasonable price.

Once gone, I hate to say it but he may continue via your kids. I am with a lovely guy who was with a narcisstic wife for 20 years. Their kids are being manipulated by her and always act up at his house, they've started calling me names and giggling. They are 10 and 14, honestly, the kids are usually lovely but their mother spends half the week brain washing them.

We all just hope to get to when their kids are 18 or so and the control will reduce by then.

Good luck, it's a long road x

Sicario · 27/02/2023 10:19

I've been in your shoes and divorced a highly toxic narc. He used every trick in the book to cause chaos and retain control over every little thing. When manoeuvred into a position where he could no longer get to me (I used an intermediary) he walked away and never saw the children again.

Totally toxic piece of shit and of course never paid a single penny in child support.

There is no reasoning with a narc. All you can do is put your suit of armour on and work around them. Do not involve them in anything or have any contact with them unless it's absolutely unavoidable. Do not share information with them as it will be weaponised. Do not rely on them for anything.

Take it one step at a time. Step one - get him out of the house and get divorced.

Do you have a lawyer? Are you able to put in an application to court for a possession order on the basis that he is abusive on the grounds of coercive control and emotional abuse? He will drag this on for as long as you allow him to.

PolyannaHanna · 27/02/2023 11:19

@chipswitheveryting i wish i could. He has financially bled me dry and i need a few months at least before approaching a mortgage lender..

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