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How to deal with Early Help?

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UndertheCedartree · 24/02/2023 21:52

A while ago I contacted Early Help as they were going to be starting a neuro diverse service as a route to diagnosis. Was looking at it for my DD but they told me they hadn't started it yet but while chatting the lady said they could help me out with another issue around my DS's education.

The way it was all explained to me was they're not Social workers, it's all very relaxed, they help with what you ask for help with. However, it didn't turn out that way. Before any help could be offered, they wanted to do an assessment which involved going into my whole life in intricate detail. She wanted to get to know my DD (even though I wasn't asking for any help for her), a man began contact with my DS - despite my concern of someone coming and going from their life and spent lots of time telling us how much she cared about us and that they would be seeing us for at least 6 months. The reason I say about coming and going as due to my mental health the children have had many social workers in and out of their lives over a short period.

I'm currently waiting for trauma therapy and had been warned by my previous psychologist about being 're-traumatised' and making sure people who worked with me were careful not to do this. This woman just went in all guns blazing into really traumatic stuff and when I said she was re-traumatising me just said 'sometimes we need to have tough conversations'. The second time she did it I assumed she didn't understand and explained it all and what my psychologist had said and told her how what she was doing was impacting my mental health. She told me I couldn't blame her for my poor mental health and I yet again tried to explain and things became a bit heated.

So the next thing I know is Early Help have referred us to Children's Services. An assessment has been done and the DC put on a Child in Need plan. I have read the report today and the information supplied by Early Help is in all honesty almost pure fantasy. But yet, I feel if I refute it, it will look like defensiveness. Because it is unbelievable how inaccurate it is. I also know from experience once something is written on a report it never disappears and you just have to constantly challenge it.

As some examples, I apparently was bad at engaging with them because they had to wait a couple of weeks to see us (this was because we were in another country at the time!) - they say I had a 'problem working with services'. My exDH 'comes and goes as he likes' because he has a key to my house, despite me telling her the set times he sees the DC. I wouldn't 'safety plan' around my ex. My partner has been banned from my DD's school - school have told me this isn't so after a lot of toing and froing but as above that will sit on the DC's plan and be taken as true. I wouldn't consent to her going in my almost 16 yo's room. Well, no I wouldn't because it is not for me to consent to, not that I remember it ever came up as not sure why it would?

Any advice on the best way to deal with this, much appreciated.

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Zola1 · 24/02/2023 22:16

Does the assessment take your points into consideration? Are things based in fact?
Some of what you say is very vague but you mentioned safety planning about your ex, and that he has a key? If he is a risk then should he be able to let himself in?
If your engagement was only off for a couple of weeks due to a holiday, surely you can prove you've responded to calls and texts etc?
Child in need is voluntary...but the local authority have the option to consider escalation if they have child protection concerns. I think there are some gaps in your insight into the situation for you and your children. Maybe a meeting with your children's social worker would help you understand her worries

Brieandme · 24/02/2023 22:48

Child in need is voluntary. I would try a gentle approach with the social worker, explain that this is all more than you were looking for and that while you appreciate the offer of help it has become 'unhelpful help' - ie 'help' that however well intentioned, becomes more of a burden/another appointment to keep/bringing up stress. Explain that you are considering withdrawing consent but that you want to be clear whether they have any concerns to escalate to child protection if you were to do so.
Unfortunately social workers can get suspicious if parents get angry and withdraw consent, so I would try this sort of non confrontational approach and hopefully this can result in a purposeful conservation - either where the plan and the approach is changed, or your case is closed with an understanding on both sides.

UndertheCedartree · 24/02/2023 23:14

Zola1 · 24/02/2023 22:16

Does the assessment take your points into consideration? Are things based in fact?
Some of what you say is very vague but you mentioned safety planning about your ex, and that he has a key? If he is a risk then should he be able to let himself in?
If your engagement was only off for a couple of weeks due to a holiday, surely you can prove you've responded to calls and texts etc?
Child in need is voluntary...but the local authority have the option to consider escalation if they have child protection concerns. I think there are some gaps in your insight into the situation for you and your children. Maybe a meeting with your children's social worker would help you understand her worries

Well, this is the first time I've seen what Early Help have said so I've not been able to respond to it. The SW has spoken to me in a general way and asked a few specific questions...some that make more sense in this light. My ex is not a risk and that is why 'safety planning' would have been unnecessary, not that I remember it being mentioned. My ex picks my DD up from school a couple of times and brings her back to mine hence why he has a key. Yes, I can show that, I suppose. The fact it was a self referral shows I obviously didn't have an issue engaging or why would I contact them? And even so, if I changed my mind so what. I wasn't obliged to 'engage'.

I'm meeting the SW on Monday as I've told her I'm not happy with what they've written. To be honest, her report was fairly reasonable. The concerns are my DS's education (the thing I asked for help with) also under this has been put my Dd's education as she has had Long Covid and missed a lot of school plus had to go abroad a couple of times which has added to that, unfortunately. My mental health - but I'm feeling much better since not seeing EH lady. I had started smoking again, stopped now and had increased my tranqulizers but back to normal now. There was the usual jumping to conclusions based on things my DD said. So I have an action to do more activities with the DC - I literally have no time to do any more!

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UndertheCedartree · 24/02/2023 23:16

Oh and I know CIN is voluntary but if you don't go along with it it's a big red flag of 'not engaging' so essentially you don't have a choice.

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UndertheCedartree · 24/02/2023 23:27

Brieandme · 24/02/2023 22:48

Child in need is voluntary. I would try a gentle approach with the social worker, explain that this is all more than you were looking for and that while you appreciate the offer of help it has become 'unhelpful help' - ie 'help' that however well intentioned, becomes more of a burden/another appointment to keep/bringing up stress. Explain that you are considering withdrawing consent but that you want to be clear whether they have any concerns to escalate to child protection if you were to do so.
Unfortunately social workers can get suspicious if parents get angry and withdraw consent, so I would try this sort of non confrontational approach and hopefully this can result in a purposeful conservation - either where the plan and the approach is changed, or your case is closed with an understanding on both sides.

To be honest 95% of my contact with Children's Services has been unhelpful 'help'. It's never been useful just added more stress to an already stressful time. My poor DS was for the first time ever we thought going to get some help. He actually liked the guy he saw. After being told he would be around for at least 6 months, was going to help him, he then just dropped out of his life without a backward glance. DS has made it quite clear to the new SW that he will have nothing to do with her. And quite honestly I don't blame him. I wish I'd not been stupid enough to think I could ask for help and someone would help. Won't make that mistake again.

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NinetyNineRedBalloonsGoBy · 24/02/2023 23:29

UndertheCedartree · 24/02/2023 23:16

Oh and I know CIN is voluntary but if you don't go along with it it's a big red flag of 'not engaging' so essentially you don't have a choice.

This exactly happened to me OP. I'm sorry you are going through it. I naively volunteered my ds for social services help after his attempted suicide Sad They were awful - invasive, insensitive and yet utterly useless. They invaded our privacy in countless ways - speaking to my other children's schools and our extended family without our permission, calling uninvited randomly and frequently. Sadly they were so invasive that it made my ds' MH even worse.

When I called them to say I was withdrawing consent they told me they would need to approve my request, and they could escalate my case to CP - which is not voluntary. I had to act so calm and measured to convince them I didn't need them all while screaming in my mind as I was so scared for my ds. It took 6 months for them to finally take me off. Never ever again will I trust SS.

SpinningFloppa · 24/02/2023 23:41

This is why I won’t touch early help, my kids school kept trying to refer me as I’m a lone parent to 4 (2 autistic) I always refused as I have always been aware that they are part of ss no matter how people try to pretend they are not (many people will say they are not) but they are,
they are just a lower level version but they are part of ss and work close with them and come under the same team. I googled early help and my area and MASH was what they come under and they share the same email and phone number as MASH.

bluelollipop99 · 24/02/2023 23:49

Early help are a branch of children's services/ SS, ( but branded in a way to trick people they are not). I would always advise never to self refer.

I am so sorry @UndertheCedartree , the bit where she essentially says she doesn't care she's retraumatizing you and will keep doing it is horrendous.

I hope you get rid of them asap x

UndertheCedartree · 24/02/2023 23:54

NinetyNineRedBalloonsGoBy · 24/02/2023 23:29

This exactly happened to me OP. I'm sorry you are going through it. I naively volunteered my ds for social services help after his attempted suicide Sad They were awful - invasive, insensitive and yet utterly useless. They invaded our privacy in countless ways - speaking to my other children's schools and our extended family without our permission, calling uninvited randomly and frequently. Sadly they were so invasive that it made my ds' MH even worse.

When I called them to say I was withdrawing consent they told me they would need to approve my request, and they could escalate my case to CP - which is not voluntary. I had to act so calm and measured to convince them I didn't need them all while screaming in my mind as I was so scared for my ds. It took 6 months for them to finally take me off. Never ever again will I trust SS.

I'm so sorry, that sounds dreadful. How is your DS now?

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UndertheCedartree · 24/02/2023 23:57

SpinningFloppa · 24/02/2023 23:41

This is why I won’t touch early help, my kids school kept trying to refer me as I’m a lone parent to 4 (2 autistic) I always refused as I have always been aware that they are part of ss no matter how people try to pretend they are not (many people will say they are not) but they are,
they are just a lower level version but they are part of ss and work close with them and come under the same team. I googled early help and my area and MASH was what they come under and they share the same email and phone number as MASH.

They obviously do as soon as we were contacted by the new SW, any contact with Early Help ceased.

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UndertheCedartree · 25/02/2023 00:00

bluelollipop99 · 24/02/2023 23:49

Early help are a branch of children's services/ SS, ( but branded in a way to trick people they are not). I would always advise never to self refer.

I am so sorry @UndertheCedartree , the bit where she essentially says she doesn't care she's retraumatizing you and will keep doing it is horrendous.

I hope you get rid of them asap x

I stupidly didn't realise this. I only phoned them as the new service for getting Autism assessment sounded good.

I really want to complain because this lady should never be allowed to work with people with mental health problems. Thank you, I hope so.

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Happyvibes55 · 25/02/2023 00:01

Hi, I am a social worker and it's interesting reading these experiences as I am always very mindful that our intervention can cause further trauma and harm yet sometimes we have no choice to become involved.
I second what @Brieandme says, have an honest conversation with your social worker about how you are feeling, make sure you are really clear on what the concerns are and what would happen if you were to withdraw consent.
However, the fact that you have self-referred suggests that there are some things you are worried about for your family or would like support with, so I really hope that you will be able to agree a way forward that works for your family.

UndertheCedartree · 25/02/2023 00:26

Happyvibes55 · 25/02/2023 00:01

Hi, I am a social worker and it's interesting reading these experiences as I am always very mindful that our intervention can cause further trauma and harm yet sometimes we have no choice to become involved.
I second what @Brieandme says, have an honest conversation with your social worker about how you are feeling, make sure you are really clear on what the concerns are and what would happen if you were to withdraw consent.
However, the fact that you have self-referred suggests that there are some things you are worried about for your family or would like support with, so I really hope that you will be able to agree a way forward that works for your family.

That's great that you consider that. This lady either didn't understand or didn't care about traumatising me.

I wanted support with the problems I was having with my son's college and help with next steps. I'll just go back to trying to sort things myself and regarding next steps, I've now spoken to Connexions.

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UndertheCedartree · 25/02/2023 00:30

@Happyvibes55 - what would you think if a parent told you Early Help's report is pretty much rubbish? Would you believe them?

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OnTheRunWithMannyMontana · 25/02/2023 00:37

I feel like there may be a postcode lottery going on here but early help were absolutely invaluable with my DS a few years ago.

They assigned us a barnados worker who took him out once a week for talks and to help with things like anger management and feelings. She was absolutely amazing.

We never felt judged or assessed. Just supported.

I'm sorry OP, it's shit that this isn't the experience everyone has :(

UndertheCedartree · 25/02/2023 00:41

OnTheRunWithMannyMontana · 25/02/2023 00:37

I feel like there may be a postcode lottery going on here but early help were absolutely invaluable with my DS a few years ago.

They assigned us a barnados worker who took him out once a week for talks and to help with things like anger management and feelings. She was absolutely amazing.

We never felt judged or assessed. Just supported.

I'm sorry OP, it's shit that this isn't the experience everyone has :(

That sounds great, I'm glad your son got that help.

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purpleme12 · 25/02/2023 01:03

God this thread is really scaring me. We've been offered early help

Brieandme · 25/02/2023 08:05

@UndertheCedartree I have had parents tell me that other assessments were wrong (more usually ones by previous social workers)
I don't know about EH paperwork; for ours we literally can't go back and edit our reports once finalised - for good reason, imagine if say something bad happened to a child and we went in and edited it to cover our backs... That's why they're locked down. HOWEVER we can and do produce 'updated' reports where we can revise what was originally said. If I and a parent disagree at the very least I would record both points of view and be clear whose was whose.
For example if you told me about the arrangements with your ex (the boundaries) id be recording that you already have your own 'safety plan' as a family that is working, ie that you've set the rules between you. I'd do this so there was a record that showed things were in place if it was re-referred around this.

I would raise with the social worker about the advice from the psychologist, I would hope that they would have a better awareness re this (most EH workers I know would do, but ultimately EH staff don't get the same level of training as a social worker - a social worker would have training about trauma informed practice as part of their degree and often in post qualifying training)

aleC4 · 25/02/2023 08:28

Definitely different in different areas I'd say.
We have an Early Help Practitioner attached to our school and she is absolutely nothing to do with Social Services.
We refer parents to her for all sorts of reasons - behaviour issues, sleep, toiletting, eating, all sorts.
She will do an early help assessment in some cases if she feel there are underlying issues or a variety of issues going on but she is very sensitive to any mental health problems.
As you say OP she is also the go-to for our school when we are putting in Neuro referrals. They are often rejected if Early Help has been offered first.
Sorry your experience was a negative one but to others worrying, they are not all like that.

Ionacat · 25/02/2023 08:43

Early help is different in different areas. Where I live, the local schools as a group employ a family support worker who receives the Early help referrals. I would have a chat with the DSL/head of your DC’s school and let them know your experience, because they will have the bigger picture and if this isn’t working for a number of people then they can professionally challenge it.

UndertheCedartree · 25/02/2023 09:40

Brieandme · 25/02/2023 08:05

@UndertheCedartree I have had parents tell me that other assessments were wrong (more usually ones by previous social workers)
I don't know about EH paperwork; for ours we literally can't go back and edit our reports once finalised - for good reason, imagine if say something bad happened to a child and we went in and edited it to cover our backs... That's why they're locked down. HOWEVER we can and do produce 'updated' reports where we can revise what was originally said. If I and a parent disagree at the very least I would record both points of view and be clear whose was whose.
For example if you told me about the arrangements with your ex (the boundaries) id be recording that you already have your own 'safety plan' as a family that is working, ie that you've set the rules between you. I'd do this so there was a record that showed things were in place if it was re-referred around this.

I would raise with the social worker about the advice from the psychologist, I would hope that they would have a better awareness re this (most EH workers I know would do, but ultimately EH staff don't get the same level of training as a social worker - a social worker would have training about trauma informed practice as part of their degree and often in post qualifying training)

Thanks for that, it explains why inaccuracies never go away. I guess the thing is it depends how good the updated report is. Ime, often incorrect information just gets copied over with none or little comment about it turning out to be wrong. As an example - the SW spoke to my Primary age DD about the people in her family. She spoke most about me (it was really lovely what was captured in the report, actually) and 2 things were - I like it when mum plays Roblox with me and sometimes mum is on her phone too much. Regarding her dad, one thing she said was I like it when he takes me out. So the SW concluded that I don't do enough activities with my DC. The truth is on the 3 days I pick DD up from school - 2 of them I take her to the park on the way home (easy as we literally walk past on our way home) and the other one I take her swimming. Then the weekend day she sees her dad I take her to a hobbie in the morning before he sees her. On my weekend day, we play Badminton/tennis and swim. In the afternoon we often takes a friend's dog out for a long walk. Their dad takes them out once a fortnight. But if anything like the past - I will not be able to shake this idea that I should do more with the DC. In updates it always comes across that the original conclusion is correct - mum is disagreeing with it but it is still considered correct.

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UndertheCedartree · 25/02/2023 09:42

Brieandme · 25/02/2023 08:05

@UndertheCedartree I have had parents tell me that other assessments were wrong (more usually ones by previous social workers)
I don't know about EH paperwork; for ours we literally can't go back and edit our reports once finalised - for good reason, imagine if say something bad happened to a child and we went in and edited it to cover our backs... That's why they're locked down. HOWEVER we can and do produce 'updated' reports where we can revise what was originally said. If I and a parent disagree at the very least I would record both points of view and be clear whose was whose.
For example if you told me about the arrangements with your ex (the boundaries) id be recording that you already have your own 'safety plan' as a family that is working, ie that you've set the rules between you. I'd do this so there was a record that showed things were in place if it was re-referred around this.

I would raise with the social worker about the advice from the psychologist, I would hope that they would have a better awareness re this (most EH workers I know would do, but ultimately EH staff don't get the same level of training as a social worker - a social worker would have training about trauma informed practice as part of their degree and often in post qualifying training)

And yes, I'm not sure what her qualifications were but she has no idea about trauma. I actually saw her in the street the other day and had a panic attack. She has seriously screwed me over.

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UndertheCedartree · 25/02/2023 09:46

aleC4 · 25/02/2023 08:28

Definitely different in different areas I'd say.
We have an Early Help Practitioner attached to our school and she is absolutely nothing to do with Social Services.
We refer parents to her for all sorts of reasons - behaviour issues, sleep, toiletting, eating, all sorts.
She will do an early help assessment in some cases if she feel there are underlying issues or a variety of issues going on but she is very sensitive to any mental health problems.
As you say OP she is also the go-to for our school when we are putting in Neuro referrals. They are often rejected if Early Help has been offered first.
Sorry your experience was a negative one but to others worrying, they are not all like that.

You know they could be great, it could be this one woman. I think I'm determined to make a complaint now as I wouldn't want anyone else to be affected by her. I never end up making complaints as it is usually having to re-live trauma but I'm going to push myself this time.

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UndertheCedartree · 25/02/2023 09:47

Ionacat · 25/02/2023 08:43

Early help is different in different areas. Where I live, the local schools as a group employ a family support worker who receives the Early help referrals. I would have a chat with the DSL/head of your DC’s school and let them know your experience, because they will have the bigger picture and if this isn’t working for a number of people then they can professionally challenge it.

Thanks for the advice.

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ThatOldHag · 25/02/2023 13:05

Social services I have found to be a minefield, and extremely unhelpful and incompetent to be honest.

My ex-husband was having regular contact with our children but was then arrested for sexual offences involving children. Understandably as a matter of procedure police had to refer to social services for a safeguarding review. This was highly instrusive but obviously I understood the reason. Case closed, concluding that both children are well cared for by me, loved, provided for well, safe and comfortable home etc, and obviously zero contact with him of any kind since his arrest and the police disclosure to me of his actions. However, the "team around the family" meetings we were promised were never set up, not even one. I asked for information on how to manage the situation with the children - what to tell them, how to explain in an age appropriate way - no support with this at all.

However, both children were traumatised by him suddenly vanishing from their lives when we had been co-parenting amicably with contact several times per week, and being so young that the reasons could not be explained to them, so I got them a private therapist to support them. She observed some concerning behaviour in my daughter (only 3 at the time) that may be indicative of having been abused. This was obviously devastating and I had no idea how to best manage this to support her and so I self-referred to Early Help. Her nursery also did a referral on our behalf, when I discussed it all with them.

Yet for some unknown reason - when they had already conducted a safeguarding review and established there were no safeguarding concerns - instead of allocating a support worker to help us, they allocated another one from child protection and did another safeguarding review (despite obviously their father never having had any contact, even a phone call, since his arrest. I would never allow that).

Both children were also going through autism diagnosis processes at the time also and so what I had asked social services for was support with this, with accessing OTs and getting school and nursery to make adjustments, with help in accessing therapy for the children's trauma, etc. Instead we had a completely pointless second safeguarding review. Apparently they are short of resources, so why are they wasting them like this? This second social worker requested we communicate by email as she was rarely in the office, but ignored my multiple emails for months at a time. She refused to provide any information on how we access help, or apply for direct payments, or to even contact the school or nursery. Ignored their calls and emails as well. I forwarded her reports from the children's paediatricians, their psychologist, reports from our nannies etc. All ignored. Still no team around the family meetings: instead I was having to forward everyone's reports to everyone else and nursery were told she had closed the case when she hadn't even responded to me.

During her first visit here she told me my children can't be autistic because they make eye contact and didn't have a meltdown during her visit. 🙄 She also asked why they should help me when I have a job, why can't I just fund therapy for my children myself? As a lone parent. Right, ok.

My son was one day too distressed to go to school due to a huge autistic meltdown (happening a lot at that time due to no adjustments, which may have been different had she arranged the team around the family meetings as she was meant to and helped to get support at school in place...). She then turned up at my house unannounced saying she was "concerned" that he was off school. He was in reception, with 97% attendance.

She then, having wasted resources harrassing us in such ways but providing zero actual useful input or support whatsoever despite me doing her job for her and sending her all the reports from professionals stating what help was needed, closed the case. And four months later I finally received her report. Littered with errors and factual inaccuracies, but obviously concluding there were no safeguarding concerns. Well of course there aren't, the previous report concluded that already and that's not what the referral was for! It was to help us access the right support for autistic children who've been through trauma. Her report stated on one page that the children need support with this, then on the next page stated children's services will not provide any support. No explanation. Apparently this report had also been reviewed by her manager. The mind boggles.

Her report also stated that "we might benefit from referring ourselves to Early Help", which is what I'd done in the first place before they allocated her to us. That whole debacle was completely unacceptable and incompetent, and has now been raised to a stage two complaint. The statutory deadline for the response to the stage two complaint passed a couple of months ago, but still not resolved. Utterly shocking incompetence. She even complained to me about how many children were in her caseload as an excuse for her ignoring emails for months on end: so unprofessional. Frankly, they say they want parents to "engage" but when you self-refer for help you get harassed and time wasted like this and a ton of extra work for me having to raise formal complaints but still no help for the children at all, so what is the point of their job?!

Following all of this I made yet another self referral to Early Help. We had to wait another 4 months to be allocated a support worker. This woman seems to at least have a vague idea about autism and trauma, and is now arranging a team around the family meeting. But this has taken 18 months, from when it should have happened. Meanwhile my children have struggled with no support, despite my best efforts. It's totally unacceptable. Ofsted says the local services here are inadequate, and I've pointed out to social services that they'd be better off spending the resources they do have on putting the required support in place rather than ignoring parents requesting help so that they are forced to escalate complaints to a level where resources instead have to be spent on an external investigation into their incompetence.

I do not know if the support worker will actually do her job and deal with CAMHS and OT and school and nursery to sort things out now finally. I really hope so. But I have lost any faith in their service after all of this. This is not what I needed in a traumatic situation as a lone parent with two disabled kids and a demanding professional full time job to do myself. I do not have time to do their job fir them also. The incompetence has been shocking and makes me very concerned for children who do not have a parent to advocate on their behalf like mine do. Hundreds of hours of my time wasted and so much unnecessary stress and yet STILL no support to date is in place except what I've paid for privately. It is beyond a joke and they all need to take a long, hard look at their standards of professionalism.